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Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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I soon have to buy a new (smart)phone. Looks like this might just be the straw that pushes me over to iPhone.

I'd buy the new iphones in a heartbeat but I simply cannot spend that kind of money and put up with weird compromises like no haedphone jack or no fingerprint reader. I wish Samsung would have an option to run tizen on its flagships.

Buy a new 6S then. Apple doesn't immediately abandon their phones, so there's no need to buy the newest out of habit.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.

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Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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>And? How does that matter? What's dangerous in them collecting my location information? What's dangerous about them compiling your medical history? Who are you afraid of? Oh wait, that's a HIPAA violation. I wonder if they keep track of the location of every doctor's office you visit... and that abortion clinic... and that methadone clinic. Surely, nothing to lose there. The only information that isn't hackable, is…

> I propose Donald Trump use the NSA (legally) to steal all of this information to track illegal immigrants who pass between Mexico and the USA border who don't have a passport on file. > Wow, that's really fucked up, huh? Well, fucked up that you're picking specifically on the Mexicans, sure (it's not right to ratchet up enforcement on just one nationality or race). And more than a little heavy-handed on enforcement…

You're intentionally focusing on a piece of my argument that you can distort into racism so you don't have to debate the rest.

I picked Mexican deportation because it's an issue WE all disagree with. It's using common ground to make an argument. You might as well be calling anyone who says "hitler was evil" a neo-Nazi. I'm arguing AGAINST giving Trump tools for deportation.

Get off your moral high horse so you can realize we're all on the same plane.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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I do think that people wanting to break into my medical history, could much easier just break into the system where my doctors hold my medical documentation, at least that's 100x easier than breaking into Google. The medical clinics have to check my ID anyways, so they have all the info about me. As for the second one: yes, if I'd be doing something inherently illegal, having a phone with Google on it could be kind o…

Well the problem is they don't need to hack in to google. Google is more than happy to sell your data to insurance companies for a reasonable $$$

And companies like Facebook can literally "correlate" you back to a real name / unique person. That's literally what they do for people who don't even have Facebook profiles.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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...neither? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China#Controversies

There is this line in the link you shared. "In 2014, in response to a series of terrorist attacks, China made all Google services almost unusable by tightening its Internet censorship, often called the "Great Firewall of China" That would only happen if Google didn't comply with Chinese govt. unlike the other company we are talking about.

That is oversimplifying the issue greatly. There's far more involved than just "not complying". There's many reasons why Google would be banned, the biggest of which is Baidu being a massive local competitor that is both pro-government and pro-censorship.

Apple, on the other hand, is a consumer brand that is wildly popular worldwide. People save up for these devices, they sell out within minutes and people go to extreme lengths to line up in store for them. There would be much more anger for banning them than Google.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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>And? How does that matter? What's dangerous in them collecting my location information? What's dangerous about them compiling your medical history? Who are you afraid of? Oh wait, that's a HIPAA violation. I wonder if they keep track of the location of every doctor's office you visit... and that abortion clinic... and that methadone clinic. Surely, nothing to lose there. The only information that isn't hackable, is…

I do think that people wanting to break into my medical history, could much easier just break into the system where my doctors hold my medical documentation, at least that's 100x easier than breaking into Google. The medical clinics have to check my ID anyways, so they have all the info about me. As for the second one: yes, if I'd be doing something inherently illegal, having a phone with Google on it could be kind o…

>having a phone with Google on it could be kind of dangerous to me. As I'm not doing anything like that, I have no reason not to use it.

So those doing nothing wrong have nothing to fear? Isn't that a far-right argument?

What about states where marijuana is legal but the ATF/feds still break down your house because it's not legal on a federal level? What if Trump decides to go after anyone he thinks is a "drug dealer"? He surely didn't focus his acts when he made the Muslim ban instead of a terrorist ban.

And what about when the government started tracking and wire-tapping journalists under the last presidency?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Department_of_Justice_inv...

We like to pretend our country is "the good guys" but we track and suppress journalists and dissenters (and break and ban encryption) just like any other country and we should NOT be giving companies that ASSIST and ENABLE that draconian act any moral slack. This isn't a movie, this is real life and it's going on right now. People's lives are affected by data.

What happens when some neo-con makes an app that correlates people's user ID's and finds anyone who went to a gay club, and outs them. Uber, for example, has all the required information. And now we know that Google does too.

And the only protection we have is the "hope" or "trust" that Google is 1) unhackable, 2) unpersuadable by governments or financial interests and 3) infallible in implementation with no exploits.

I keep saying it and I'll say it again: "The only unhackable data, is data that's never collected in the first place." The more valuable the data, the more incentive there is to get it through legal or illegal means. And nation-states are definitely watching and exploiting useful data. We see it in massive breaches every month.

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> But this is all just marketing Apple has a very strict internal culture of protecting user privacy.

And you know that exactly how? Or, maybe more relevant, how do I get to know that?

Talk and listen to Apple and ex-Apple people.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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>Is called cash :) It's accepted everywhere. A lot of people refuse to carry any significant amount of cash. It is a risk factor, especially when at events and shows or just during busy shopping hours, due to pickpockets. An app with verified identity (using the national 2FA login system in my country) is significantly more secure. >Should all be burned anyway. Plastic cards and bits of paper worked fine for decades,…

>It's a bunch of silly plastic cards that I then I have to carry around in my wallet or remember to bring from home when going shopping You're willing to sacrifice your privacy for this little convenience?

Posting anything online is a sacrifice of privacy. Using HN means your IP, your username, a bunch of connections and other data are logged in various places. We're all willing to sacrifice privacy for little conveniences, some people prioritize differently.

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> But this is all just marketing Apple has a very strict internal culture of protecting user privacy.

And you know that exactly how? Or, maybe more relevant, how do I get to know that?

Be lucky in who you end up friends with.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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A cheap Android phone runs circles around the most expensive iPhone in day-to-day tasks. https://youtu.be/qcfqhszn7Bk This has been the case for many years now. https://youtu.be/hPhkPXVxISY

So a "cheap" Android phone costing US$500 that came out like yesterday is really good at opening and closing applications. The new benchmark of What Makes A Really Great Phone after It Must Have Slim Bezels wasn't an argument anymore.

> So a "cheap" Android phone costing US$500 that came out like yesterday

See the second video, which shows a $300 phone of the previous generation beating an iPhone of the latest generation at the time that cost twice as much. I couldn't find a head to head comparison of the iPhone X against a cheap Android of the previous generation, but I expect the outcome to be the same.

> is really good at opening and closing applications.

The video doesn't show speed of closing applications. Opening communication applications is 90% of what users wait for when using a phone, and Android users wait less.

Your artificial benchmarks that measure gaming performance aren't much use to the 99% of users who use their phones more for productivity than for AAA games.

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