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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by kamaal »

gozur88 wrote: post #103
ashleyn wrote: post #32

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Paleoconservatism/populism isn't concerned about the economic benefits of immigration; it's concerned about "protecting" culture so that immigrants don't have the opportunity to reshape it in any capacity. A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country and will sidestep the economic benefits of immigration to retain a demographic majority. To these vo…

>A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country... Why did you put scare quotes around "their own"? Is it not their own country? Culture changes over time no matter what you do, but is it completely unreasonable to want your culture to change slowly enough that you can still function in your dotage?

>>Why did you put scare quotes around "their own"?

Because these arguments just condense to 'We got here first' talk?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by urazen »

mobilefriendly wrote: post #235
addicted wrote: post #120

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Yeah because wanting someone who has worked in your company for 3-5 years and has an in depth knowledge of the job and the internal Dynamics of the company is obviously the exact equivalent of someone who has experience in the 3-4 specific headline technologies whether they are good or not at that is a terrible idea. The alternative of an H1B is not an American. It's off shoring the entire project to a team that does…

>The alternative of an H1B is not an American. It's off shoring the entire project to a team that doesn't live in the US in the first place. Nope, the alternative is off shoring the project to places like Ohio and Montana.

Nope, offshorinng to non-US companies is the most preferred alternative in the real world. Just look at the fact. Offshorinng has been existing for a long time. Building dev center in Ohio and Montana is much more difficult and costly.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by kamaal »

smsm42 wrote: post #69
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

>>Mediocre student somewhere in talent concentration point is screwed - he's where the top talent of the world is, and has to compete with them for any nice opportunities. It is hard.

This is why its never a nice idea for most people to work at a place like Google.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by bduerst »

dominotw wrote: post #347
bduerst wrote: post #343

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That's probably because the website is only showing "base" pay. Juniper does performance packages that go well into six figures, which Linkedin might not do.

In theory performance performance packages can be $0? makes no sense to approve h1b based on performance packages. Also, LinkedIn does give out performance bonuses.

You can lookup the Juniper bonus packages on OFLC if you want (it's what this website data is, but more info). I just checked for sunnyvale engineers making 68k and their bonuses go up to 250k.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by horsecaptin »

anigbrowl wrote: post #345
horsecaptin wrote: post #333

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Which definition are you using?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

My understanding is that in America, the Democratic party is considered to be the liberal party. Most people left-of-center vote for the liberal party. They think of unions and worker protections as liberal values. They also oppose globalization because it has the effect of reducing wages and increasing local job loss.

And so, these Democratic Party supporting liberal minded left-leaning people are in a bind. The new conservative president at least on the surface seems to be doing more to protect local jobs than the last two Democratic Presidents have. In-fact, their champion in the last election sought to increase globalization.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by bduerst »

natoliniak wrote: post #344
bduerst wrote: post #342

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Why don't you just link the query results? http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Wayfair+Llc&job=Software+En... Any while we're at it, why don't we pull the prevailing wage data? http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesQuickResults.aspx?area=71654... Level 1 Software Engineers are paid on average $67k in that area, so by paying them $68k, Wayfair is still paying more than the average wage for U.S. citizens working the same positi…

interesting. That is close to the salary I was starting with more than 10yrs ago...Either the wages have stagnated around Boston or that number seems low. Glassdoor reports ~$80k which is closer to what my current employer has been hiring at, thats why the Wayfair numbers seems low to me. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/boston-entry-level-softwa...

My guess is your experience is anecdotal and open to bias. Same with glassdoor, since it's self-submitted. The BLS's Occupational Employment Statistic's prevailing wage data is fairly exhaustive.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by kamaal »

jordanb wrote: post #109
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

You have a really mercantile view of things: Team Murika is gonna Win the Trade War by signing all the primo players from the other teams! An alternate way to look at this is that the economy and society of the USA is failing its own citizens by either giving them an inadequate education or not providing them opportunities to succeed. And your proposal is to simply write everyone who's already here off, declare them…

>>USA is failing its own citizens by either giving them an inadequate education or not providing them opportunities to succeed.

US millennials are a bunch of people with most privilege, comfort, opportunities, freedom and other nation level perks(like infrastructure, mobility etc) compared to may be all the humans combined in all of history.

There is a reason why you can't get more out of this scheme. The reason is you can only make incremental progress in systems that are this advanced. And after that its usually a bit of Math called 'Central limit theorem'. It just means the progress will only be around the mean.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by anigbrowl »

horsecaptin wrote: post #365
anigbrowl wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

My understanding is that in America, the Democratic party is considered to be the liberal party. Most people left-of-center vote for the liberal party. They think of unions and worker protections as liberal values. They also oppose globalization because it has the effect of reducing wages and increasing local job loss. And so, these Democratic Party supporting liberal minded left-leaning people are in a bind. The new…

seems

Not to any economically literate person.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by dahdum »

bduerst wrote: post #364
dominotw wrote: post #347

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In theory performance performance packages can be $0? makes no sense to approve h1b based on performance packages. Also, LinkedIn does give out performance bonuses.

You can lookup the Juniper bonus packages on OFLC if you want (it's what this website data is, but more info). I just checked for sunnyvale engineers making 68k and their bonuses go up to 250k.

Where is that info? Glassdoor has 61 reports of Software Engineer for Juniper with an average of $16k performance bonus on an average base salary of $123k. New H1B hires at ~$65k would end up with lower than that average wouldn't they?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by refurb »

hjlkashd wrote: post #359
refurb wrote: post #307

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the "country of birth" based green limits ensure that you have to remain in H1-B status for 15 - 20 years (if you happen to be born in India) You don't wait in H1B status, you get advanced parole which means you can stay and work until you green card has been processed.

Yes, but if you lose your job for any reason, you have to leave the country in a matter of days (I think you have 30 days, it might be a little more). So, sell your house, all your belongings, take the kids out of school, move all investments... uproot your whole life in 2 months, maybe 1 month. That's not an easy thing to do, especially with children. It's not fair to my family - the kids would hate moving from the…

Sorry if I'm being overly detailed, but if you lose your job when in the later stages of a green card there is portability to a new employer, so there are options.

However, I do agree the uncertainty can be stressful. I went through a layoff when on H1B and it's not fun!

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