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75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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K. Let's get rid of electricity and go back to horses and sail boats as our prime travel options, then.

> Let's get rid of electricity and go back to horses and sail boats as our prime travel options, then. Too late for that. And I don't see anyone offering easy answers. But pretending that what's happening in the real world isn't happening, or frantically waving totems of electronic consumer satisfaction about, won't make those physical realities go away.

Solar panels, electric bicycles, and not completely-effing-crazy urban design is actually a pretty easy answer.

But everyone wants to live on an island of asphalt with a sterile, depression patch of grass in front, at least three miles away from the nearest place to buy a cup of coffee (a disposable cup, natch).

Actually, not everyone does, but those who do, made it illegal to build anything else. At least in the US.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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No, you're not active. You're still a consumer, you've just changed your consumption choices to feel less bad. Join an activist group and start protesting, picketing, learn about direct action tactics, and interrupt the smooth running of the machine that is killing you and destroying your future. Trust me, even taking small actions against an impossibly large problem feels about 1000 times better than sitting there w…

Hence why I said somewhat active, and ended my post with "I do recognize that it's not enough and we all need to basically go back pre-industrial lifestyles to really make enough of a change to matter." What are some things that you are doing?

I'm a political activist. I'd prefer not to go into specifics while I have [ending charges :)

I don't mean to suggest that I have The Best strategy or tactic that you should deploy right now. These are hard problems we're talking about, and my long-term aims are plotted over 10-30 year timescales, and realistically the chances of achieving those are very tiny. I pursue a political approach because that's where my knowledge and skills seem likely to have the most effect.

I'm not sure that we need to necessarily go back to pre-industrial lifestyles in some sort of neo-primitivism movement. Perhaps I'm wrong and this will be forced upon us, but I believe that our capacities for invention and redeployment of our resources make it possible to change direction as a species. That has never been done before, and it will be fearfully difficult, even dangerous. But I prefer failure to passivity.

I've mentioned the 'deep green resistance' group partly because this thread is focused on ecology and partly because it's a good overview of the different theories and techniques of activism. Maybe if I were talking to one of the authors I'd get castigated for being too focused on political considerations and not putting the environmental issue at front and center of my efforts. But that's where my bets are placed for the time being.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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So start doing something. What have you got to lose if you're already doomed? Get yourself a copy of Deep Green resistance and join an aboveground affiliate group. It's easy to manufacture excuses not to do something because it looks impossible. So what? Better than saying you sat there and did nothing and watched it all disintegrate.

Cutting down our per head footprint is nice and laudable, but it's really just a minor tweak to the "O" in an exponential "Big Oh". I suspect that crispinb deems something much more paradigmatic necessary than just a bit of reprorization in economic policies and everybody using less plastic bags. Some paradigm shifts are so big that it is very difficult to even think about them loudly without getting universally shun…

No disagreement on any of that. I don't want to scare people off with inflammatory suggestions (which is why I suggest aboveground activism rather than taking up pipeline sabotage, but I am absolutely for paradigmatic change despite the inevitability of violent opposition.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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Yeah hold on while I take 5-10 years out to get a bio degree and publish research so I can start putting out papers saying it's too late and we've passed the point of no return, which will be denied and ignored by the people who are most likely to be causing the problem. Much better than possibly pissing anyone off.

The concern is not pissing people off, exactly. It's crying wolf until the relevant people stop listening. It's drowning out the voices of those who really did spend three decades studying the problem in order to come up with the right answer. See how almost everyone's reply to the original post has a different recommendation? If they all worked hard to make those things happen, there would be a symphony of screams a…

By the way, I'm sorry for the snarky tone of my grandparent comment, at which point I was a bit tired and frustrated. But I do think that waiting for the 'right answer' is a bad strategy. Blind action is ineffective, but so is risk aversion.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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This is what I've done in the last two years: - Moved closer to work to minimize driving - Take the train downtown (on nights out) - Bike to work on occasion (it's a huge freaking hill) - Bought programmable thermostats, LED bulbs, vent louvres. Dropped electric use 20% - Eat organic (helps my IBS), cook at home, buy in bulk, freeze - Started composting and recycling more. My city has good programs for such - Ask for…

- Bring a backpack to the grocery store, Note, though this won't scale, you need to take political action to make a real change.

>> this won't scale

Yes it will. If everyone does it that's called scaling.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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Ha! That's easy. In California, we call that "drought". A couple of years ago, having a green lawn was Extremely Incorrect in my neighborhood.

Yep, dead lawns and waist-high weeds. See it all the time. No nuisance enforcement. Although after the fast-spreading fires, I wonder if that will change?

That's how my backyard is and I love it. I clear some dead plant matter and don't barbecue things. I do have a solar stove that uses a parabolic reflector and prefer using it to the gas grill now.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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This year, I left a portion of my lawn unmowed. I seeded it with a $10 bag of wildflower seeds. It's given me 4 months of beautiful flowers, loads of polinators, many butterflies, and it's given me less yard to mow. I now think that lawns of neatly trimmed grass are about as dumb as it gets.

Yes, a big problem for insects in suburban areas is humans tendency to want "manicured" nature. Just walk around anywhere in e.g. silicon valley, where lawns are kept short and there are less than a dozen types of trees and bushes (also often trimmed) and you'll note there are very few insects, which has resulted in even fewer types of birds and practically no small animals. Insects need old, decomposing tree trunks…

A lot of people don't like having insects in their homes, so it would make sense that they manicure their lawns to reduce the number of insects around their homes.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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- Bring a backpack to the grocery store, Note, though this won't scale, you need to take political action to make a real change.

>> this won't scale Yes it will. If everyone does it that's called scaling.

It helps, but not enough to solve the overarching problem.

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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The concern is not pissing people off, exactly. It's crying wolf until the relevant people stop listening. It's drowning out the voices of those who really did spend three decades studying the problem in order to come up with the right answer. See how almost everyone's reply to the original post has a different recommendation? If they all worked hard to make those things happen, there would be a symphony of screams a…

But you are the relevant people. And just like in business, while it's important to research and plan effectively, if you never take any risks you never get any rewards and the opportunity slips away. Getting involved and taking action isn't going to drown out the voices of research scientists, because while we operate serially as individuals we operate in parallel as a species. You're never going to persuade everyon…

Doing something is unproductive, and often counterproductive. It is the battle cry of doctors who prescribe unnecessary antibiotics because they cannot hurt and are what patients want, and wind up contributing to the development of antibiotic resistant microbes. It is the philosophy of politicians who make laws for show without solving problems (and often creating problems in the process).

Do not do something. Do something effective.

To suppose that the insect biomass is reduced because of problems with the environment, and that doing good things for the environment will help fix it, is sloppy, superstitious thinking. Will recycling help? Dunno. Will establishing a neighborhood cleanup crew help? Seems unlikely. Will raising awareness help? Only if it serves to better identify the problem or uncover a real solution.

Back when leaded gasoline was poisoning everyone, no amount of recycling, environmental advocacy, neighborhood cleanup, embarrassing politicians, etc., would have helped. The problem had to be understood well enough that people could be persuaded to agree to act in concert to solve it specifically and at great cost. This takes time and study.

Nature is not a moral agent. It will not heal and be kind simply because we act piously toward it. We must understand problems in the specific and fix them in the specific. If you want to help with this insect biomass thing, begin by studying it. Is it really happening? Is it really a problem? What is the cause? Then ask what we can do. Then try to persuade people to do it.

You can't skip steps. It sucks that it takes time and effort, it sucks that you can't just solve everything overnight, but it is the only way to be an agent of effective positive change rather than an agent of chaos.

I am committed to acting vigorously on problems that I know are real, in ways that I am convinced are effective. There is plenty of that to go around!

Re: 75% decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas

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It's not only a consequence of direct habitat destruction, but also the use of pesticides. According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946087/ , more than a billion pounds of pesticides are used on lawns in the US every year. There is little regulation there. All of those pesticides are designed to kill bugs . Why are we now surprised that bugs are disappearing? We are sterilizing the planet. According…

I don't get it. Who cares if there's bugs in your grass?

I used to play with bugs in the yard as a kid.

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