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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kelnos »

erikb wrote: post #48
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

I think there's more of a balance between collaborative & big-picture work, and heads-down focus, than you let on.

Sure, teams need to be working on the right things, in the right way, and need team leaders who can focus on the overall product itself, as well as the overall technical direction. But sometimes (often?) you just need people to avoid and ignore distractions and get their work done.

This doesn't just apply to developers; I hear from many non-technical staff where I work that things like Slack sometimes cause more interruption then they're worth, and need to sign out to get their job done. There is definitely such a thing as information overload, and there is definitely such a thing as interruption/notification overload.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kevinSuttle »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

They're a a foot in the door to chat ops, which leads to customer buying the best integrated tools with said chat app: the same companies that make the ops tools.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by whipoodle »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

I wouldn't describe them as "chat rooms" exactly, because they have direct messaging and audio/video calls, etc. They are generalized communication tools geared towards synchronous communication. Email is async.

Without defending Slack (because I have reservations about it too), your coworkers should stop being mad you're not online, that isn't Slack's fault.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by akent »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #285
bpicolo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then that is going to mean were not going to see any new features in hipchat datacenter... That's been mostly true for a while anyway. You still can't delete or sanely edit a message in hipchat.

Oddly, this is the ONLY thing I think HipChat has ever done sanely. I've been using sed expressions for almost three decades to alert my fellow chatters of an error in my previous message. The first time I did that in HipChat... It edited my previous message. I nearly fell off my chair. It was and is probably my favorite HipChat feature. s/favorite/favourite/ for my English fellow humans. :)

It's fine to have that way of editing as an option or an easter egg but, to have it as the only way of editing a message? No. Just no.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by com2kid »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #319
com2kid wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chat breaks the flow, Until I encounter a problem, switch into chat, and find that someone else already solved that problem and it was archived by the chat system. Flow maintained. My chat apps run on a separate monitor that is purposefully not within my visual range of the monitors used when I'm coding.

Then that's asynchronous messaging. Like email. The thing I hate is the opposite. When I'm told off for not replying to a message. Ergo need to keep it in visual range and stop what I'm doing on each message. Even if it's an inane broadcast from a team member.

> Then that's asynchronous messaging. Like email.

Except organized differently, and easier to author rich content with. And the performance is better, messages are sent instantly. The overall UI is better in many ways.

That said email having subjects makes it different.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by joombaga »

I wonder if this has anything to do with the security incident earlier this year [1]. My company terminated all HipChat subscriptions after the incident. A rebranding (understood that this is more than that) may allow some companies to revisit the product.

[1] Linking the cached version since the hipchat blog now points to Stride: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c6dtRh...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by vacri »

richman777 wrote: post #347
vacri wrote: post #334

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I'm of the opinion that there are no good ticketing systems. I've seen a fair few of them (but haven't looked in the last year or two) and I realised that the problem is this: the amount of information you need to store to make a ticketing system really useful is more than people are comfortable putting in. Lightweight ticketing systems are great for small things, but suck for serious work. Heavyweight ticketing syst…

This is why I've finally accepted the fact that for my own personal tracking, nothing beats a post-it note. I'm not going to spend the time to put down all the real information I should and dealing with an app is another barrier preventing me from getting stuff done.

I moved to post-its about six weeks ago during an intense period with lots of small jobs. I am the only one who does what I do here, so the interoperability isn't really required... and I'm not keen on going back to a digital ticketing system (post-its are also satisfying to scrunch up when finished). I will eventually though, as ticket history can be useful, but at the moment I feel a bit like a dog who has escaped the yard and is roaming freely :)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by mgkimsal »

derintendant wrote: post #354
mgkimsal wrote: post #332

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That does not let me create something from the wiki, only reference issues that already exist. EDIT: Specifically, allowing people who are primarily text driven to be reading a doc/wiki page, right click a sentence or phrase, then create an issue right from that screen, without leaving, and have them linked back and forth, is... seemingly obvious, yet I've not seen it done elsewhere. Someone else pointed out gitlab -…

There IS a Add-on for exactly that use case: https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/net.seibertmedia.c... Disclaimer: I work for the Add-on developer

For redmine?

The creation of jira tickets from confluence already seemed useful enough for my use cases - not sure that I'd need a plugin to do more, but interesting to see that you've got something (and to know others want it).

My original post was pointing out that this wiki/ticket connection is something I've only ever seen in jira/confluence, not in anything else.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by emehrkay »

amedvednikov wrote: post #228
cpursley wrote: post #56

My only question is, which Slack alternative does not use half my CPUs and suck down my battery just to run ideally in the background?

Try out eul: https://eul.im It'a native desktop client for Skype, Slack, and many others. It's only 4 MB, it has minimal CPU usage, and can handle hundreds of thousands of messages without lag.

What is the tech behind these clients? At 4-8mb it clearly isn't Electron. Are you writing native apps for three platforms?
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