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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

flukus wrote: post #330
rdsubhas wrote: post #141

Not saying that everything else is bad, but one thing that strikes me is how much they have run out of interesting things now that they had to use fillers[1] like: Tooltips Support for tooltips (small popup windows with descriptive text) for views and menu items. Normally, this would be relegated to a git changelog in the support library. But this is on the global marketing landing page. I like to imagine a fictional…

How do tooltips even work on a touch based OS?

Android has long has deep support for keyboard and mouse navigation where this could be more useful.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by flukus »

cakedoggie wrote: post #317
pjmlp wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany there are quite a few stores still selling budget Android 4.4 and 5.1 devices, which people keep on buying.

It seems people have made their choice they don't care. If they cared about updates they wouldn't be buying Android.

They didn't choose, they just didn't know.

This is why software/hardware needs best before dates.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

cmurf wrote: post #161
JorgeGT wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The catch is that you can buy an Apple phone everywhere, but for instance Google decided simply to not offer the Pixel in my country. Also, they stopped updating my Nexus 4 long time ago, something that Apple does not with their devices. Hence, I am not "succumbing to Google marketing" again. I have now updated to a Moto, which used to be a Google company. Let's see how long it takes to update...

My Moto G3 (2015) came with Android 5.1.1, and got an Android 6.0 upgrade. That's it. It has had two or three security updates since then, but it's still Android 6.0. Despite that, it's been overwhelmingly the best phone I've had: cheap even unlocked, stable, no bloatware, waterproof.

My Moto G1.5 came with KitKat and was starting to suck on Lollipop after an update caused incurable excessive battery drain and constant app crashes. LineageOS Nougat restored the old hardware to its former glory. You would do well to do the same. Lollipop/Marshmallow is a liability.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by dingo_bat »

rdsubhas wrote: post #141

Not saying that everything else is bad, but one thing that strikes me is how much they have run out of interesting things now that they had to use fillers[1] like: Tooltips Support for tooltips (small popup windows with descriptive text) for views and menu items. Normally, this would be relegated to a git changelog in the support library. But this is on the global marketing landing page. I like to imagine a fictional…

At least they are bringing back PIP. This was such a great regression in N for Samsung users.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by djsumdog »

dcomp wrote: post #108

The most interesting part is the way they are planning on tackling fragmentation in O onwards with Project Treble [0] If your device ships with O it should be running an immutable semantically versioned HAL. In essence you should be able to be able to flash AOSP on every new device. No matter what the vendor does. Edit: I can see it now, in the technical specs of each device you will see a list of HAL Versions. The n…

huh .. I always suspected Fuchsia/Magenta were going to be a basis for Android going forward to get around the fragmentation situation. They still could be in the future, since no one is really sure what they're being developed for.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by remir »

cakedoggie wrote: post #317
pjmlp wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany there are quite a few stores still selling budget Android 4.4 and 5.1 devices, which people keep on buying.

It seems people have made their choice they don't care. If they cared about updates they wouldn't be buying Android.

You're thinking like a technical person. Aunt Susan doesn't know her phone is an Android phone. In her mind, it's a Samsung phone. It's not a question of not caring, she simply doesn't know.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by dingo_bat »

amrrs wrote: post #89

Has Google ever released a report on how much time it takes an average flagship device to get the latest android version? Even if you've paid $$$$ in getting Samsung Galaxy S8 just recently, you're not going to get Android O tomorrow morning. But that's definitely the case with iOS. That makes a huge difference in the world where Software updates play a huge role in performance and functionality than hardware update…

Another point of view is you don't need an update if you bought a galaxy S8. It already has everything important and many more features. In fact, S7 actually regressed by updating to N. The multi window feature was perfectly stable and feature rich and most apps supported it. Google forced Samsung to replace it with their rudimentary implementation. Now it lacks features, is much slower, full of glitches and even after one year there are fewer apps that support it. At this point I'd rather Samsung keep sending monthly security updates and forgo on Google's OS update altogether.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by dingo_bat »

0x00000000 wrote: post #69

Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

System wide ad blocking is available on Android. You just need to buy the correct phone (hint: Samsung galaxy).

On a serious note, Samsung is so far ahead of every other manufacturer (including Google) I wonder why people buy anything else. For me, whenever I need to buy a new phone, there are two options to consider: Samsung or iPhone.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by kuschku »

madeofpalk wrote: post #220
klondike_ wrote: post #11

Project Treble is the most important thing in this release >The biggest change to the foundations of Android to date: a modular architecture that makes it easier and faster for hardware makers to deliver Android updates. With any luck, this will end the huge security/update problem Android has. Right now an update is dependent on the chip manufacturer's drivers, then the OEM adding them to the ROM with their custom "…

I remember many years ago when a few carrier and chipset execs stood up on Google I/O stage and announced a new program to ensure Android devices get updated quicker. Nothing came out of that. The proof here will be when they ship. Thankfully, 'Google Play Services' and distributing more and more services through the Play Store is a step in the right direction.

> Thankfully, 'Google Play Services' and distributing more and more services through the Play Store is a step in the right direction.

A move towards replacing an open OS with an entirely proprietary solution full of tracking by a single vendor is "a step in the right direction"?

There's thousands of solutions for how you can update core OS components, none of them require what Google's doing to open source.

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