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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by URSpider94 »

alexpw wrote: post #328

If you are refusing to enter the password, access to the device, or to disable travel mode, then good luck to you. IANAL, but the border agent doesn't care if the data is technically in the cloud, rather than on the device, because it restores when you unlock it. In addition to removing the data from the device, cheers, don't you also need to be able to honestly say you can not provide access to it? Ways to honestly…

If you read the article, there is no "tell" that 1Password is in Travel Mode. The only impact is that most of your passwords are missing from the password vault, but the agent would have no way of knowing what's missing. It's not like it pops up a big "Travel Mode" banner.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by URSpider94 »

smallnamespace wrote: post #340
alexpw wrote: post #328

If you are refusing to enter the password, access to the device, or to disable travel mode, then good luck to you. IANAL, but the border agent doesn't care if the data is technically in the cloud, rather than on the device, because it restores when you unlock it. In addition to removing the data from the device, cheers, don't you also need to be able to honestly say you can not provide access to it? Ways to honestly…

For this to really work, you need to also prove to a border agent that you can't access it. In that sense, Travel Mode sort of defeats the purpose -- all the border agent needs to know is that Travel Mode exists, and then ask you to turn it off.

There is no sign in the app that you are in Travel Mode. I suppose if you are well and truly targeted and they have a really knowledgeable specialist on-hand, they could know that Travel Mode exists and ask you to disable it. But, I think that's going beyond the boundaries of a border search, which is limited to searching things that you are actually carrying across the border.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by kennywinker »

valuearb wrote: post #232
vijayr wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies need to make clear to their employees (and the public) that sharing passwords is a terminable policy violation So which is a better option? Losing a job (or) refused entry/detention/harassment after 24+ hours on the plane/getting treated like a criminal....? (not that criminals need to be treated badly) The right solution to this problem is saner laws and educating the public about privacy and related topic…

If NASA engineers aren't allowed to refuse to unlock their work devices containing confidential NASA information, what hop is there for us?

There's always hop

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by brokenmachine »

fernandotakai wrote: post #333
_jal wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. Why would anyone want to go through that on their vacation? Unless you enjoy that sort of thing, go somewhere pleasant instead. (And if you enjoy that sort of thing, there are far easier ways...) I say this as a US citizen who will be sad if it comes to pass, but this bullshit won't stop unless the rest of the world refuses to put up with it. Your average US citizen doesn't travel internationally (only about 1…

> Why would anyone want to go through that on their vacation? honestly? the us is a beautiful country, with amazing people. i love visiting and love going to weird towns to meet different people. (also, my sister is married to an american citizen, and i want to meet her every once in a while). but at the same time, it's really fucking awful to be treated as a criminal every time you try to go to the country.

I'm in Australia. I like a lot of things about the US and lots of the people in/from the US as well. I went there about 15 years ago and had an awesome holiday.

I would never go there now that a dangerous buffoon like Trump is in office, also for a long time now it's been known that outsiders will be treated like a criminal at the border for no reason. And I mean literally no reason because I could easily not have all my masses of terrorist information on the laptop and just download it from the terrorist servers when I get there. So there is literally zero reason to be searching my digital property, and I'm not about to take the gamble that I could be prevented entry or delayed enough to possibly cause thousands of dollars personal cost for no good reason. The security theatre is ridiculous.

Outsiders are obviously not welcome so I'm not coming.

There are plenty of sane countries around the world to go to, why would I go to the US?

I hope the American people can find the motivation to vote and pressure their representatives to actually do something about their own freedoms. Not only border patrol but your militarised and outrageously unaccountable police force.

Sorry but that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by kakarot »

rosser wrote: post #221
kakarot wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is especially true if you allow them to frame the action as "hiding". L First you must ask them to not use loaded terminology like "hiding" when dealing with information you own and don't feel like accessing. Don't answer "yes" or "no" to whether you're hiding something. If you use their words then they have a huge advantage.

I'm gonna bet that trying to "language-lawyer" how your CBP agent phrases their questions is a one-way ticket to a private interview, because that's not suspicious at all .

You don't have to explain yourself to them. They don't know the legalities involved, they are grunts. Just tell them simply that you will only answer the question a single time, and the answer is no, and you will ignore future questions about the matter. And ask for your lawyer. If you aren't going to allow access into your personal devices to begin with, you're probably getting that interview regardless.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by brokenmachine »

lacampbell wrote: post #345
chronic940 wrote: post #332

I said I wanted to avoid terrorist attacks, not be near them.

This. I'm not visiting Western Europe anymore, the writing is on the wall.

It's sad how much effect these isolated attacks can have. Hundreds of thousands dead from car crashes and smoking and whatever else, nobody cares, it's expected.

A few homemade bombs, and that causes people to change their whole outlook on a country? It doesn't make sense.

I wish there was some way we could not report on terrorist attacks, like we don't report suicides. Sensational news reports just blow things right out of proportion to their actual importance at the country scale.

It's hard to do, and maybe not realistic, but there has to be some solution where these asshole terrorists don't win. And they win as our freedoms are limited as well.

A few crazy people shouldn't be able to hold countries to ransom. I don't know the solution but it just sucks.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by veidr »

chx wrote: post #352

"May I search your laptop?" "Certainly." "But... this is practically empty." "Yes sir. I FedEx'd my SSD to the destination." I have a small SSD in the primary disk in my T420s, it has just enough to get me through the flight. I keep the primary in the UltraBay with a simple adapter, takes one reboot and no tools to put it back in place. Done. Happy searching! I can't log into anything even if I wanted to because I ph…

It's a practical approach, and my comment here isn't necessarily aimed at you, chx (since I don't know your citizenship status), but I would add this entreaty to American citizens like me:

If you ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. They have the right to ask, and they even have the power to search it regardless of your permission, but despite an alarming drift towards a total surveillance, they have not established the right to force you to unlock/decrypt anything.

I'm flying into SFO tomorrow, and I am taking similar precautions as chx so that my laptop doesn't contain any meaningful data[1].

However, if asked to unlock my laptop, I plan to say "No, of course I cannot do that; it violates the most basic security practices and I could and should be fired if I exposed sensitive company data in that manner." And then just sticking with it. It will be inconvenient, especially if they seize my laptop and detain me, but as citizens it is up to us to resist the normalization of behaviors that push the nation further towards the precipice of idiotism.

[1]: As an American citizen, I have routinely done this when traveling to authoritarian nations like China; it's hard to express how outraged I am that my own country has degenerated to the point where sound security practices now require these kinds of procedures when traveling to the USA.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by was_boring »

veidr wrote: post #368
chx wrote: post #352

"May I search your laptop?" "Certainly." "But... this is practically empty." "Yes sir. I FedEx'd my SSD to the destination." I have a small SSD in the primary disk in my T420s, it has just enough to get me through the flight. I keep the primary in the UltraBay with a simple adapter, takes one reboot and no tools to put it back in place. Done. Happy searching! I can't log into anything even if I wanted to because I ph…

It's a practical approach, and my comment here isn't necessarily aimed at you, chx (since I don't know your citizenship status), but I would add this entreaty to American citizens like me: If you ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. They have the right to ask, and they even have the power to search it regardless of your permission, but despite an alarming drift toward…

Is the goal to resist normalization of the behavior or is to get through the security theater?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by simplyluke »

ben_jones wrote: post #166
jzl wrote: post #47

This is a nice feature, but ultimately if you are concerned with border agents requiring a phone search then you should just backup and install a fresh OS before traveling, then restore when you get back. Log into the minimal number of apps after you've entered the destination country, and optionally delete/logout of said apps prior to return travel if the return border crossing is also a concern. Admittedly if you u…

Can't they order you to sign into iCloud or equivalent and then just sync whatever they want, photos, texts, emails, apps (and then order you to sign into those apps like Facebook, Whatsapp, Gmail)? Bottom line is they can get you AND everything you have access to. And it you try to circumvent it by i.e. temporarily encrypting everything for 24hr boom you just committed a felony. This is my understanding at least.

"And it you try to circumvent it by i.e. temporarily encrypting everything for 24hr boom you just committed a felony"

This isn't true. Encrypting your device is not illegal, and they do not have the legal authority to compel you to unencrypt it or make you sign in to anything. They can make your life miserable, but the constitution still applies.

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