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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by thewhitetulip »

johnnydoebk wrote: post #200
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

I do not know which universe you are living on. /r/golang is one of the best programming communities I have ever seen. golang-nuts is the worst community I have ever seen.

This is double standards of the epic proportions, on the "official" Google group, you have a person call reddit "hive of scum" and what not and that's fine? doesn't the CoC shoved down our throats tell us to respect others? to not be an ass? or does it not apply to the "elites".

let me reiterate again, reddit might be an unwelcoming place, /r/golang is the most welcoming place ever, I posted a query of AJAX, I got two answers within half hour, one with vanilla JS another with jquery, if I had posted to your beloved google group, they'd have pointed me down to some obscure link and asked me to chase my problem on my own and that would have done probably being snarky.

/r/golang is NOT toxic.

edit:

my exp with /r/golang https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5dkobc/sample_webap....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/56mgxb/learn_how_to....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/50ih0s/whats_up_wit....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4zyjye/network_prog....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4kbup2/can_webapps_....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4jxtdg/building_an_....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4jaiun/updated_my_t....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4ihjk7/added_sessio....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/46vb6x/want_to_disc....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/45uqpw/updated_my_t....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/439asd/simple_comma....

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/3zle8c/i_am_writing....

The fact that I do not have a single (+ve) link on go-nuts speaks volumes about which forum is toxic.

Just read this thread which I started on go-nuts

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/golang-nuts/F4LJwyYZcX....

And tell me later which community is helpful.

edit2: formatting.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Mithaldu »

emddudley wrote: post #173
wildmusings wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been exactly ZERO r/The_Donald posts on the frontpage, ever. It is not and never was a default subreddit. You are talking about r/all, which almost no one browses according to the Reddit admins themselves. And as of a few months ago, at most 3-4 posts from any one subreddit are on each page of r/all. Why exactly should they be banned? I can't help but suspect that the real reason is that you want to silenc…

The main issue is that Reddit does not have a built-in way to filter out subreddits. There is a ton of uninteresting and offensive content on Reddit, and the only way I can use the site is to filter subreddits using Reddit Enhancement Suite. I like /r/all because it lets me discover new content outside of my subscriptions, but I can't read it on mobile or on other computers--without RES there is too much crap to wade…

it does have a built-in method, it just expects you to pay for gold to get a spam filter for /all

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by thewhitetulip »

gkop wrote: post #194
thewhitetulip wrote: post #77

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It is not just about the UI, UI sucks but the feedback they give on google groups is terrible. Reddit community is so amazing that once I was having doubts about AJAX, within ten minutes, I had two answers, one with plain JS AJAX and another with jquery. If I had been asking on google group, which I have done only once when they replied back so horribly that I stopped using it, they'd have directed me to some obscure…

Is it really true that /r/golang is friendlier than go-nuts? If so then Golang should make /r/golang official and wind down go-nuts. Community friendliness is way more important than platform politics, and the unfriendliness on go-nuts might turn some people off to Golang.

Yes, /r/golang is way more friendlier than go-nuts.

I say this by proof.

1. One year ago I started learning Go. It was difficult to understand it, I read a lot of books and stuff. I started working on http://github.com/thewhitetulip/Tasks, Later, I realised that there isn't a free resource to teach what I learned, so I tried to share my knowledge by creating this, http://github.com/thewhitetulip/web-dev-golang-anti-textbook....

The first post I made was to /r/golang: I got immensely +ve feedback, suggestions etc.

The second post I made was that google group, I was told "The language is called Go and not Golang" and the condensed feedback from the elites was (after someone rallied behind me saying that give real feedback and this is being jerk and blah blah) that "it might be the case that suraj wrote a good book but people won't take it seriously until the language name is corectly used"

Who cares about the title of the book? I certainly don't. I have read astaxie's book, codegansta's book, both had golang in their title. Their content was amazing. I loved them, didn't care about the title

The links are below

As another instance, I wanted help in AJAX one year ago, I asked /r/golang, I got two examples in half hour, one with plain JS another with jquery.

Do you really think that if /r/golang was so "toxic" and "scum" as they call it on the go-nuts mailing list (a glaring violation of the CoC shoved down our throats) that there would be a consensus among /r/golang to unequivocally say "if Go authors don't participate in /r/golang then they are welcome to step down?"

I do not understand what they want to do, Guido created python, is he the mod of /r/python, does he care what authors name their book? "oh the language is Python with a capital P", no, he does what he does and let's the community handle the community.

my exp with /r/golang

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5dkobc/sample_webap...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/56mgxb/learn_how_to...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/50ih0s/whats_up_wit...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4zyjye/network_prog...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4kbup2/can_webapps_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4jxtdg/building_an_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4jaiun/updated_my_t...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/4ihjk7/added_sessio...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/46vb6x/want_to_disc...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/45uqpw/updated_my_t...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/439asd/simple_comma...

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/3zle8c/i_am_writing...

The fact that I do not have a single (+ve) link on go-nuts speaks volumes about which forum is toxic.

Just read this thread which I started on go-nuts

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/golang-nuts/F4LJwyYZcX...

And tell me later which community is helpful.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by u801e »

It would be nice if a usenet newsgroup like comp.lang.golang existed and all posts made to the golang subreddit could be reposted there.

Then, IMO, deleting the golang subreddit would be a non-issue. The newsgroup doesn't have to be moderated and, if one wants moderation, they can do it via the newsreader program.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by heroprotagonist »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #239
danbruc wrote: post #205

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We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. Of course not, how would you show the comments to visitors if they were encrypted? This is very public proof that even the content of comments can be manipulated [...] How would anyone be surprised by this, it's all just rows in a database. If you are in the right position with the right credentials, you can do whatever you wan…

> Of course not, how would you show the comments to visitors if they were encrypted? By encrypting them with a key before storing them, and decrypting them before rendering them. It's not difficult, but could put additional load on the server. Protecting access to the key would be more difficult, but it's possible with security tools. If it's a file, the idea would be to restrict access to the key to the service proc…

If you're going to downvote this, I'd really appreciate a response as to why.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mcphage »

mst wrote: post #276
Buge wrote: post #266

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Yes, it's against the /r/the_donald rules to insult the /r/the_donald mods. Here's an /r/the_donald mod saying they banned some of the users by mistake after /u/spez edited their comment. https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admin...

... thank you, I have now changed my opinion of his actions from "morally dubious and dumb" to "morally dubious but absolute genius trolling"

Even more genius would have been to make himself a mod of the_donald, so every time they insulted him they broke the rule anyway...

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mcphage »

sqeaky wrote: post #280
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> What is there on /r/Golang that they expect to see edited? This is an insane question to ask. This is as flawed as arguing for mass surveillance because you have nothing to hide now. The questions should instead be "can we trust our comments to not be edited when management disagrees?". What if future management starts loving python so much they decide to do something malicious to other programming languages? It wo…

> What if future management starts loving python so much they decide to do something malicious to other programming languages?

Well, why not figure it out then? Why solve a problem you haven't had yet? That seems to fall squarely under YAGNI.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by hashhar »

eridius wrote: post #291
forgetsusername wrote: post #257

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> The fact that it's taken until now for the CEO to use it suggests that it's not actually ripe for abuse. And you know this how, exactly? Because the perpetrator said so? I find the scenario that this was the first and only time this was done implausible.

Because nobody's even hinted that this has been done before. When someone's comments are edited, that person can see it[1], as can anyone who remembers the comment pre-edit. Add to that the fact that comments that are worth editing (beyond the rather unimportant "fuck u/spez" type of comment) are also presumably highly visible, it would be pretty hard for them to have a history of editing comments without someone hav…

Reddit's website source code is actually open sourced. The backing database is not though.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by hashhar »

jandrese wrote: post #107
0xmohit wrote: post #89

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And what were the changes like? Curious.

From what I understand people on The_Donald subreddit were accusing him of being a shill, so he edited his name in those posts to be The_Donald's moderators instead. If you had guessed stupid political garbage mixed with internet trolling, congratulations you get a cookie.

Actually the people on /r/The_Donald branched off and opened another discussion that led to the Pizzagate (accusing a restraunt owner, Hillary Clinton and others of being pedophiles). And when /u/spez deleted the Pizzagate stuff (people were actually harassing the restruant owner), the mods started abusing and accusing /u/spez of being a pedophile.

And also take note that witch-hunting is prohibited on reddit and can warrant legal action.

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