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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by reitanqild »

vladimir-y wrote: post #342
reitanqild wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plain wrong IMO. Have been using Linux professionally and on my personal machines on and off for 15 years, sonce I was a student. A bit more work than Windows in some ways, less in others. I came to Ubuntu back in 2005ish based on a tip from a then 50 year old electrical engineer who had fallen in love. My bus driver this morning loves it (we sometimes talk while waiting). So stop spreading this FUD. And this comes f…

You didn't get a point of my message. But I'm not going to keep explaining conversation with a person who is writing to me to stop expressing my own opinion which is backed by some experience, you better keep chatting with your bus driver.

I think I got your point.

It doesn't seem like you got mine:

Lots of people - including people who aren't pro users - have been using Linux happily for years.

Post like yours are likely to discourage people from even trying, which is why I try to correct what I see as misinformation.

You are free to explain why I am wrong instead of starting to pick on the anecdote.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by achikin »

fizzbatter wrote: post #165
Void_ wrote: post #39

I'm really hoping this is just a phase. Hoping that Apple will reduce prices of new laptops and we'll be back to normal. Right now everybody is using Macs. Walk into the Bay Area coffee shop, you see Macs everywhere. I love that. I build desktop software for Macs (focuslist.co). My apps are prettier than any others. They are easier and faster to use. This is the reason why people pay me $5 while they can get the job…

I mean, sure - the design is pretty, but OSX has been terrible for me quality wise. I know what you mean about pretty, but currently i'm feeling like i need to pick between pretty (OSX) and stable (Linux). Worse yet, is if i pick a stable variety of Linux, it's likely to not be pretty. The pretty Linux OSs (in my experience) tend to be at least as unstable as OSX. Ugh. (Note: I upgraded to Sierra, crash or have weird…

Weird. I've been on MacBookPro since 2011 and have not experienced any crashes so far. What do you do to crash it?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by Semiapies »

bluepill wrote: post #195

Why do macOS users seem to want to migrate to elementary? I mean why elementary as your choice for a Linux distro?

There's interest because of a recent, popular post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12830761

As to how many people really are migrating, who knows. I'm an Apple user, but I'm not going to take the rabid fanboy position that these distro makers must be lying when they say they've noticed more interest, lately.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by RandomOpinion »

module0000 wrote: post #286
toyg wrote: post #53

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This is a long-standing criticism of Elementary. I think they initially didn't even provide a way to get a free download, and eventually settled for the current UI. Basically the founder-owner is adamant that someone has to pay for his time, and tbh I don't begrudge him.

As an OSS contributor, I _do_ begrudge him for it - and this is why. If you were to email Elementary and ask for support with a non-working 'sg' kernel module, I would be highly surprised if they offered you any support. More likely, they would tell you to contact one of the authors, who did not receive one dime for our work. He takes your money, and shirks off supporting you to people that _didn't_ take your money.…

>As an OSS contributor, I _do_ begrudge him for it - and this is why. If you were to email Elementary and ask for support with a non-working 'sg' kernel module, I would be highly surprised if they offered you any support. More likely, they would tell you to contact one of the authors, who did not receive one dime for our work. He takes your money, and shirks off supporting you to people that _didn't_ take your money.

By voluntarily contributing to an OSS-licensed project, you don't have the moral right to begrudge him for it. What they are doing is completely permitted by the license; RMS has spelled it out over and over. So, no sympathy from me.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by cozzyd »

r3bl wrote: post #141
yoz-y wrote: post #97

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It is progressively becoming quite more than a simple skin. They do have their own window manager and a quite comprehensive set of applications with simplified interfaces and consistent UI. To me it seems like a worthy goal, however it seems to create a separation between the typical Linux user/developer and their potential targeted users.

Not really. I developed on elementary quite a lot. I find its ease of getting around quite easy. Your text editor / IDE is at the front and everything else is completely tucked away + you can control basic things about your OS like music / notifications etc. without having to focus on some other app to make a change. And it's pretty lightweight. Comparing that to GNOME, where everything is so damn big that it wastes…

Gnome does that nowadays too. Unfortunately not so useful for remote shells or tmux

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by throwsincenotpc »

matzipan wrote: post #331
throwsincenotpc wrote: post #265

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> I agree with the article. Vala is a wonderful language, but it doesn't have the necessary tooling built around it. Sure but they had like 10 years to do that, I remember a french guy who ever wrote a complete IDE with autocompletition + package manager for Vala on Windows. Support from the Gnome Foundation ? zip . Oh, and I even found the link. http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/24 So the tooling my ass, they just d…

No, I'm talking about gdb support, for example. I'm talking for a testing framework (right now you have to write your own build process capable of bundling the unit tests with your source).

They still had 10 years to do that. complaining about the lack of tooling they didn't develop is idiotic, they are in charge of the language themselves.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by kirbyfan64sos »

blowski wrote: post #24

How does this compare to Ubuntu Desktop? Why would I use one over the other? I ask as somebody who used to use Ubuntu a few years ago, and wants to switch back to Linux in the next few months.

I switched from Ubuntu to Elementary OS several months ago and have never looked back. It's a lot faster and smoother, the UI is less orange, the file browser looks better, and I still get the entire Ubuntu package ecosystem.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by muyuu »

haffla wrote: post #124

I find Apricity OS (Arch Linux) much better suited for developers. In fact at work I switched from Ubuntu to Apricity. Through yaourt (paceman frontend) and AUR (Arch User Repository) it's a breeze to install the latest versions of literally everything you need be it Docker, Java or IntelliJ. I think it's comparable with brew. Plus Apricity looks so much better than Elementary in my opinion and almost manages to give…

From the screenshots I've seen it looks a lot like ChromeOS. Also the fonts looked hideous but that might be the particular set-up I saw.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by gst »

ajmurmann wrote: post #312
reitanqild wrote: post #241

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Some of you Mac guys are a weird bunch IMO: Talk more than others about usability - happily gloss over all kinds of weirdness[0] in your expensive setups.[1] Happily pays quite a lot for your Macs - "regret every cent" after donating peanuts for the development of a Linux distro. Just saying. Edit: downvotes welcome! I cannot buy anything for my Internet points here in Western Europe. A textual description of my wron…

I also never thought that the UX was particularly good. It looks pretty, but some fundamental stuff is hidden and when I was new to OS X I never knew when I had to switch to terminal. To me the real reason to run OS X is that I never have to fight with drivers or my xconfig. On Ubuntu plugging in a projector to give a presentation was always more exciting than it should have been. I more often than not had to borrow…

> I also can't count the times apt-get update replaced my proprietary Nvidia driver with an much worse, open source one.

I don't think it's fair to compare OS X (with runs on a very limited set of hardware) with a Linux distribution running on a random not-well-supported system. If you want an apples-to-apples comparison I'd suggest to test Ubuntu on one of the officially supported systems - see https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/ for a list.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by xaduha »

rocky1138 wrote: post #7
xaduha wrote: post #3

Check Solus instead https://solus-project.com/

I think there might be something wrong with that website. I went there and saw no screenshots nor any real information on what Solus is. There was a learn more link but it took me to something called Budgie.

Yeah, site under-delivers somewhat.

There are some screens in this pdf

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Ymf8oYXx-PSXU2eFlsR0NvY1E...

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