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Re: Elementary OS

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I'm seeing a whooole lot of posts about laptop hardware poorly supporting Linux distributions in this thread. I've been considering moving to a Linux-based laptop for basic computing once my old MBP inevitably dies a horrible death, but these reports about poor hardware interfacing, broken features, missing drivers, etc. is making me less interested in doing so. Is this really such a widespread problem?

If you go for an obscure distro it is. Ubuntu has good hardware support.

Re: Elementary OS

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Firstly, I see a lot of people complaining about the design, but the matter of fact is a lot more programmers are willing to work for free and make their contributions open source than designers are. This was more true a decade ago than it is now, so there is a lot of "if it works, do not break it" attitude. Secondly, "good design" is subjective as opposed to a program that achieves its goals. No matter what you do,…

It doesn't happen that projects like GNOME and KDE get bashed by trying to improve the whole stack experience, by developers which only care to scatter xterms across their screens. This is why many of us that enjoy UI design ended up going to platforms where it is praised.

They only get bashed if you hang around /r/linux. That place is toxic sometimes.

Re: Elementary OS

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Go to Reddit.com/r/unixporn, with some minor tweaking it's very easy to make Linux look nice.

Minor tweaking? /r/unixporn crowd is always interested in posts that customize their Linux setups to the max: use Window Managers almost exclusively, have a unified color scheme all over the system etc. That's not minor tweaking.

I did one that took me probably 30 minutes and it looked nice in Manjaro. Those are just nice Environments, don't have to go all the way.

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Go to Reddit.com/r/unixporn, with some minor tweaking it's very easy to make Linux look nice.

Riiiight. I don't want to spend hours tweaking my desktop. It's hard enough to pick a decent wallpaper, and since I've been using X desktops since the SunOS era, believe me when I tell you that I have no interest in wrestling with multiple X toolkits to achieve the kiddie look of the day...

My experience tweaking my Linux desktop didn't take nearly that long. It depends I suppose on how in detail you want to get, but a much nicer look than the standard is fairly easy to achieve.

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With all due respect, when have the stock apps ever been good enough on any OS? I spent 20 years using Windows, and the first thing I did upon getting any new desktop/laptop was immediately go and grab a bunch of apps that I needed. They weren't necessarily the "best" apps, either; my old Windows 7 laptop is still running Winamp as my music player because I've used it since 1998 and it still does what I need it to do…

Still using Winamp as well. At work, people get awed all the time - "wow, is that Winamp?" :D And I keep thinking, what the hell are people using these days?

Spotify, Google Music, Apple Music, Pandora?

Before I had to worry about space and moving my music around. Now it's on every device. Has all my playlists, all the music I listened to + discover new stuff, friends can send me songs I might like, can even download for offline if I'm worried about not having internet, etc.

It's been a much better solution than playing everything in Winamp which I used forever or iTunes.

Re: Elementary OS

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I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

Imagine the Venn diagram of "Has a Unix environment because we deploy to Linux" and "Can run MS Office, including Outlook". The intersection has the word "Mac" in it. That's why our entire team was issued Macs (I work in a 70,000 person company) and lots of other developers choose it too.

Re: Elementary OS

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"Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work well?" Funny story: My new-ish Dell laptop (Inspiron 15 7559 i7 with 4k touchscreen display; which I got at an absurdly low sales price from the Dell outlet store) does not reliably recover from sleep under Windows, but does under Linux (neither worked when I first got the laptop, but now only Windows fails and now only some of the time). That's a first, for me, as I have had a h…

Exactly! For example, Skylake support is not mature enough in Linux atm.

I'm writing this from a Kaby Lake (7th gen) I5 running Fedora 24 and it shipped with Ubuntu (Dell XPS). It does require the newest packages but I don't see any major issues. My Skylake (6th gen) NUC I5 works well with Fedora 24 too. Mind to elaborate what specific problems you have with them?

Re: Elementary OS

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I am using elementary OS for the past one and a half years, and honestly speaking, I am in love with it. I am a long time Linux user, and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. But there was always one aspect of Linux that I always felt a bit uneasy about, and this was design/UI/UX/accessibility of the many popular distributions. I…

Agreed about the stock apps. I think actually they are being too ambitious. They want to have certain interface guidelines which operate across all apps (things like autosaving state so they can be closed and opened seamlessly), and that's why they're so keen on developing a full suite of their own programs. But independently developing so many apps all at the same time is a massive, massive task. In my opinion they…

Really the best strategy would be to take existing Linux desktop staples and send patches that allow them to be reskinned enough to get the consistent L+F they want.

Re: Elementary OS

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Can you give an example of issues? I’m running on a 6700 here with ARCH.

Here is an explation by an FSF board member. https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html

Ah okay, the power savings issues.

Basic "just run code" stuff seems to be working well enough, and on a desktop which always runs at max in my case it doesn’t need to support power savings modes either.

Re: Elementary OS

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We can go around circles for days. The fundamental issue still stands. You are losing time and spending effort working around OS mismatches because your dev machine and your production servers do not line up. Adding a staging server moves the problem one level higher. You will still spend however long it takes to fix whatever mismatch was caused by the differing environments.

I develop on windows and deploy on Linux. I have done that for more that 10 years and I never found a problem that wouldn't have happened if I developed on Linux. And obviously I always deployed first on test, then on stage and only at the end in production. What kind of problems did you see that happened because of developing on Mac OS instead of Linux? The only ones that I can think of are all caused by a wrong dep…

Try setting up a virtualenv on windows, linux, mac and then tell me there are no issues. Sometimes the versions won't even line up for some libraries because whatever works on windows will not work on linux will not work on mac. Same with ruby gems and npm modules that require compilation.
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