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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Let me clarify that. I don't actually particularly care about whether the boycott would work or not, in a sense of preventing the affected company from hiring more people. What I care about is remedying the material harm that is caused to people discriminated against. If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in…

It gets a bit tricky. The problem is that a lot of this kind of stuff is really pervasive, but there's no conscious collusion. Things like "women are just not as good at tech" become pervasive cultural stereotypes, and employers apply them subconsciously, with the result being widespread discrimination that is obvious in aggregated data, but not necessarily in any individual case. So the kind of analysis that's neces…

It is often the case that the discrimination is pervasive, but not that it is difficult for women for example to find jobs. If deliberate collusion makes it difficult for women to find jobs, that would be when I would suggest anti-trust regulators to be involved. This may include for example anti-discrimination restrictions in consent decrees.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I've lived in California as well, and I maintain that you are full of shit.

I'm pretty sure I've lived here longer than you have, and you're not only showing your rudeness, but the lack of knowledge you have about the Bay Area and environs. Have fun slinking back to your hole.

Nah, I never once heard anyone in Berkeley refer to a woman as a "dude" or a "guy".

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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“..less than 20 percent female. Within a year and a half those top managers were more than 80 percent female,” Even if they were not deliberate about it, they must have talked about how this might be perceived by employees. As bad as this issue is, I think hiring friend/referral/former colleague, especially en mass is much bigger issue that's rarely talked about because it's not necessarily illegal. However, I cannot…

I am OK with this. What annoys me is the discrimination against non asians happening in the valley these days. I mean, gee wilikers.

Do you have a source for the discrimination?

Palantir was recently accused of discrimination against Asians because they hire them at a much lower rate.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/09/26/regulators-accuse-pal...

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #361

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It gets a bit tricky. The problem is that a lot of this kind of stuff is really pervasive, but there's no conscious collusion. Things like "women are just not as good at tech" become pervasive cultural stereotypes, and employers apply them subconsciously, with the result being widespread discrimination that is obvious in aggregated data, but not necessarily in any individual case. So the kind of analysis that's neces…

It is often the case that the discrimination is pervasive, but not that it is difficult for women for example to find jobs. If deliberate collusion makes it difficult for women to find jobs, that would be when I would suggest anti-trust regulators to be involved. This may include for example anti-discrimination restrictions in consent decrees.

It's not just about being able to find a job. It's about being able to find a job that pays the same money for the same skill & experience, and offers the same career opportunities in the future.

Based on the statistics that we have, it's definitely a problem, at least in the tech sector.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Yahoo services (like the core branded stuff, not Flickr etc.) are still really popular here in Japan. News/entertainment content, and yahoo shopping all seem to be well-liked. I don't know any numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if it leads gmail as an email provider.

Yahoo Japan is a separate entity.

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Do share, please (if you feel comfortable).

Sure. Set up a date over email for an initial phone screen with the recruiter. Left work early to make the appointment at home. Recruiter never called. Asked WTF, got an apology and another appointment for next week. Recruiter missed that one, too (really). Finally made a connection a few days later, got bizarre questions like "estimate 2^14 (or something) in decimal". Did poorly on that, so they forwarded me to anot…

Not saying it's a good interview question, but if you ever need to quickly estimate exponents of 2 just remember 2^10 bytes=1kb, 2^20=1mb, 2^30=1gb, etc. so 2^14 would be 16kb.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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VPNs are used for a lot more than checking email. They are used to access source control, build/CI systems, QA servers, etc.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the data Marissa looked at was skewed because the corporate Yahoo VPN was atrociously terrible. People who routinely worked outside of the office, or just wanted to be able to read their e-mail at home without the VPN client randomly panicing their system, had devised various workarounds to get things done. The corporate VPN is distinct from production, so you could still do actual w…

> The corporate VPN is distinct from production, so you could still do actual work without using it too.

Are you suggesting that people should have worked directly on production servers instead of using the VPN to work in a development environment?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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post #330

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Yet people spend time leaving comments like your grandparent, deliberately virtue signaling. I can bet dollars to doughnuts that if someone said "Whites" he would not have left a comment "More white people".

1. It was 3 words... trust me, it didn't take long to write 2. The comment would be "More white people " - note the emphasis, it's kind of the key thing 3. I always heard virtue was a good thing. And here I am displaying it, you say. With you... in opposition? But, please, do what you think best.

There at least 3 more comments using "whites" in this HN news item, why have you not corrected those?

Why did only black people get special treatment?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Is picking senior management about fairness?

"Fair" in the sense of "gender-blind"

I keep reading this positive stereotype about women needing to be twice as good to make it half as far, and yet this outcome would be a the natural consequence of that if assessment was to suddenly become fair. People need to better choose their 'ladies in the workplace' stereotypes methinks. Unless it's true, in which case...

Let's see, 20% Women in STEM x 2 x 2 (twice as good; and, multiply by two to make up for half as far) = ... 80%

Q.E.D.

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