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GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Atlassian bitbucket is fine for me, and it gives free private repos. If you just want something for side projects without all of the bells and whistles, bitbucket is fine

The frequent bitbucket downtime is what got me to switch my company's stuff to github.

My company has been using bitbucket for a couple of years and I personally haven't noticed much in the way of unscheduled downtime. Maybe once or twice during that time.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

So yeah... github just lost an enterprise customer. And I will be making sure they will lose more.

For an excellent alternative, consider Gitlab: https://about.gitlab.com/

They have enterprise services, or can be self-hosted.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

I don't know if you even need to see the whole presentation. A few of the full sentences on that one slide are more than enough to project a strong us vs them attitude of hatred and victim versus oppressor, especially the following bullets: - "This is not work for white folks to lead" - "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women" - "we need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues" This is blat…

I want to reserve judgement for now, but the slide is very upsetting.

Why is it OK to make these kinds of generalizations?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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>>It's kind of missing the point if your diversity initiative is being run by white people. How can anybody who advocates equality say no white person can lead a diversity movement? Just because somebody is white doesn't mean they aren't an oppressed minority (female, transgender, Jewish or some other oppressed group like a furry). I think we collectively need to declare it's not okay to say "people with skin color _…

Who said anything about equality? When the discussion is about "social impact", the conversation is about diversity . Diversity != equality. In the view of many, equality isn't enough, because the "un-oppressed" are fundamentally privileged. The concept of "reverse racism" is there to deflect the inevitable awkward questions that arise, when clearly biased statements are made and practices get institutionalized. IMO,…

I'm sorry to move the discussion to politics, but such affairs trigger sentiments among White people which end up in favor of Trump, if I understand politics properly. So would it be clever for the Trump team to highlight and exaggerate such stories/Is this article the result of it?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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>>It's kind of missing the point if your diversity initiative is being run by white people. How can anybody who advocates equality say no white person can lead a diversity movement? Just because somebody is white doesn't mean they aren't an oppressed minority (female, transgender, Jewish or some other oppressed group like a furry). I think we collectively need to declare it's not okay to say "people with skin color _…

Who said anything about equality? When the discussion is about "social impact", the conversation is about diversity . Diversity != equality. In the view of many, equality isn't enough, because the "un-oppressed" are fundamentally privileged. The concept of "reverse racism" is there to deflect the inevitable awkward questions that arise, when clearly biased statements are made and practices get institutionalized. IMO,…

I don't understand what you're arguing. Equal opportunity will lead to diversity. Equality is about removing processes that look at privilege (e.g. your rich father donated X dollars so welcome to our college).

If your idea of fairness requires we become systematically biased against certain majorities (white, heterosexual, male, cis-gender) for your cause then I don't want to be part of your cause, and moreover I find that cause discriminitory and dangerous.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Given they are publicly singling out white women, I'm not really sure that is true. You shouldn't be generalizing on race if you want me to believe that.

So, as far as I'm aware, there is "racism-as-defined-in-some-academic-circles", where it's only racism when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group. Which is (IMHO) different from what non-academic people understand racism. Maybe that's what parent means?

I suppose I think I'm just pissed that they target white women. xD

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Meanwhile, github has quietly dropped the "owner" / "collaborator" tag for contributors to open source projects.

Either you're part of an org, or you're not.

Not too many OS projects have their own org, and commercial entities will be reluctant to add non-employees to their org, in order to distinguish contributors from employees.

Users of OS projects now have now easy way to tell if they're interacting with a collaborator.

Total shambles.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This kind of anti-white, anti-male racism is poisoning Silicon Valley. Honest, meritocratic people can't idly stand by while self-serving idiot racists take over. I'm now cancelling my GitHub account and moving to BitBucket.

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> but the publishing industry is 79% white and 78% female The US is 77.7% of the US population. I hardly think that a 2% imbalance is an issue to create divisiveness over. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State...

"The US is 77.7% of the US population" I think you mean 77.7% white? It should be noted that the census counts North African and Middle Eastern as white, which is inaccurate. That number also drops to 62.6% when you take out Hispanics that describe themselves as white. So it's probably more like a 20 point difference than 2.

Do you want to also take out the jewish % from the white group, and see how much of an 'imbalance' there is amongst top management / successful founders?

This sort of thinking is stupid.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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You might be upset by some quotes here. It's important to not to let that take over you. You end up becoming exactly like the things that bother you. Don't get bothered over the people in the article expressing their opinions. It's the only way to live. Trust me, it takes over.

".. that is life. I cannot change them overnight. I think society, their own experiences, their own reading, their own observations, will bring about the change despite their innate biases."

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