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Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by jevgeni »

simoncion wrote: post #263
ckozlowski wrote: post #261

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>Only losing market share and power has made Microsoft produce software with reasonable quality, flexibility, and interoperability. And that, in my opinion, is the way it's supposed to work. Vendor's products gettin' ya down? Not being responsive to your needs and lacking in quality? Move elsewhere! Money talks. A good kick in the ass can be a humbling experience, and a good opportunity for the open-minded. It was a…

> If they keep it up with actions such as these, there's a good chance they'll stand to be rewarded for it. And -quickly enough- they'll go back to being the old MSFT we all knew and loathed from top to bottom, and these olive branches will vanish quicker than a pile of shaved ice on a summer day. For many of us, this isn't our first rodeo. :)

It's interesting that you don't make assumptions about future "evil" behaviour of their competition.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by dingo_bat »

AlexC04 wrote: post #335
mizzao wrote: post #331

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The command prompt looks the same in Windows 8.1 and 10 to me. What terminal are you talking about?

He might be referring to powershell ... I never use CMD anymore. I first started using it a few years back because it uses 'ls' instead of 'dir' for a directory list. Over time I've learned more and more about how its improved over CMD... and it has gotten even better in windows 10. May not quite be 100% as good as terminal on OSX but it really is very good. Funny annecdote. I was at a clojure meetup last night tappi…

Even cmd is much improved in win 10. Text reflow, free zize windows, sane selection, etc. But nothing can make up for the lack of built-in, out-of-the-box UNIX utilities like cat, grep and the works.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by SpaghettiCat »

swalsh wrote: post #56
stoolpigeon wrote: post #13

I really hate how MS names things. Microsoft SQL Server, or as most people call it SQL Server. I read the title to this post as Visual Studio code is now open-source - but it's not. The product some genius called Visual Studio Code has been opened. I'm really surprised Windows isn't called Microsoft Operating System, or Operating System for short.

Eh honestly, I prefer the naming of things "what they are" as opposed to these open source names. Sometimes I wonder if ruby programmers aren't eating enough. Building an API might mean you use Cucumber, and Grape.

The problem with naming things "what they are" is that the scope of the project can change over the years, so that the name selected 5 years ago doesn't appropriately reflect what the project does now.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by SpaghettiCat »

Kiro wrote: post #72
kul_ wrote: post #28

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Yes, its misleading for sure. I think `Visual Studio Code` has like 1% of features of full blown Visual Studio?

You can't compare it like that. It's not a light version, it's an editor.

It's not an editor, it's an IDE. Just look at the Python support they expect to add next year: "full intellisense, debugging, profiling, pkg mgmt, unit test, virtual env, multiple interpreter, Jupyter, etc. support.". All that in one program? You can't tell me that's not an IDE.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by hohenheim »

stoolpigeon wrote: post #13

I really hate how MS names things. Microsoft SQL Server, or as most people call it SQL Server. I read the title to this post as Visual Studio code is now open-source - but it's not. The product some genius called Visual Studio Code has been opened. I'm really surprised Windows isn't called Microsoft Operating System, or Operating System for short.

I had no idea until I read your comment. I overlooked "Code". I though Visual Studio is open-sourced and got excited :(

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by grayrest »

ploxiln wrote: post #322
yoz wrote: post #317

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I remember it very differently. It's particularly interesting that you start with 1995, since that's the year of Bill Gates's "Tidal Wave" memo. A large chunk of MS suddenly devoted itself to getting Really Good At The Internet, and within a few months produced the best web browser on the market (IE 3, the first mainstream browser to implement CSS) and the best JVM (far faster than Sun's own at the time). IE continue…

I'll admit I didn't really get started until 2000, and I'd also push the end-range to around 2009. And I did use the Mozilla Suite back then (pre Seamonkey naming). The main problem with IE, regardless of how good it is, is that it is windows only. This was true of all of Microsoft's stuff (particularly crappy mac versions don't count) (I also wasn't a fan of Mac OS 9 ... but there was bsd and linux for a number of y…

> pre Seamonkey naming

Maybe you predate me but when I jumped on the Mozilla bandwagon at Gecko 0.7.1 the internal name for the suite was Seamonkey. It was only after Firefox that the group maintaining the suite started using the internal name as the public branding.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by blahblah12 »

simoncion wrote: post #349
nojvek wrote: post #347

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I disagree. Before the game plan was to keep everyone in windows. Now with iOS and android killing things it's no longer about just windows. Satya's vision is very different from Ballmer. The big money makers are now shifting to Azure. This means if open sourcing tools that didn't make money will attract more Devs to azure. That is very valuable in the long term in business sense. This also gives Microsoft a good rep…

> I disagree. Before the game plan was to keep everyone in windows. Three things: 1) That describes a corporate goal, not a set of behaviors used to achieve it. There are many companies out there who also have the goal of "Keep everyone using our software.". Not many of them have utilized such destructive techniques as Microsoft has in pursuit of that goal. 2) Your second sentence would be more correctly spelt " Micr…

I really dislike this line of thinking. It assumes things can't change. Microsoft as a corporation is just a brand, the people have come and gone and with it much of the ideology and decision making thought.

People that think this way have a ridiculous amount of brand loyalty which really means nothing. The people change behind the brand all the time. It's clear that MSFT is changing. It's clear from the people that I've talked to that work there. It's clear from the messaging by senior management.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by spdionis »

mschuster91 wrote: post #167
gtaylor wrote: post #111

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Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

Jetbrains stuff eats up nearly as much RAM as Eclipse. If you're not on an 8+GB machine, prepare for your SSD life being massively reduced due to swap.

8GB of ram is not hard to get today, and jetbrains ide's speed when you have that is pretty impressive compared to features. Also for the more focused editions (pycharm, phpstorm, rubymine) they have even better performance compared to intellij (which usually comes with too many plugins installed).

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by spdionis »

odonnellryan wrote: post #145
gtaylor wrote: post #111

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Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

I love Jetbrains products, but under Linux they are nowhere near as stable as VS is on Windows, or even Jetbrains apps on Windows. They're slower, and some features don't quite work right all the time.

Worked extensively with phpstorm both on windows and linux (mint). Works perfectly on both platforms with no difference.
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