“Swift will be open source later this year”

Post by eggy » Mon, Jun 08, 2015, 11:24 PM UTC

jophde wrote: post #268

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Hey, look me up in a year and explain why you were wrong. Go has been out for 6 years and has less than 10,000 questions on StackOverFlow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/go Swift has 37,000 questions in its first year: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/swift I'm a fan of Go. I built my websites in it and I've written a few small apps. However, you really are overlooking how much of a difference the…

Why would I ever care about Go for Android when I can write apps in Kotlin? Kotlin is fully interoperable with Java. I don't have much experience with Swift but Kotlin is so nice. It has the best features from numerous languages such as Ruby. C#, etc. It's being made by Jetbrains who makes the the core of Android Studio so it will have support. Kotlin is also nearly as fast at runtime as Java with a tiny 200kb runtim…

Post by rsynnott » Mon, Jun 08, 2015, 11:27 PM UTC

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I remember a thread on HN [1] from a few months ago talking about how apple was never going to do this. I'm so glad they were able to pull it off! Good for you, Apple! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8488808

Or Apple saw that and decide to change its mind. Sometimes companies change their minds this way, like how Microsoft changed its mind on the banning of DVDs for Xbox, even though they never "officially" said they would do that before the announcement of the Xbox One, but it was strongly "rumored" they would do that. I'm sure that's what they intended, but the outrage was too big to let it be.

Post by lukeh » Mon, Jun 08, 2015, 11:31 PM UTC

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So here's the thing. They will release Apple Music for Android... and there's full stdlib of Swift support for Linux? Could it be that the Android app is partly Swift?

I wouldn't read too much into that. Android ships with Bionic libc, which is different from the glibc that is usually shipped in a Linux distro. There are definitely some differences between the two. Plus the average Android app is very far from the average Linux app. If they were aiming at supporting Android, I think they would have said that instead of Linux.

Post by rsynnott » Mon, Jun 08, 2015, 11:38 PM UTC

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Open Source wins! Seriously can't tell you the fights just 8 years ago in conventions with hundreds of librarians where most of them thought Free Software was the devil and hackers all had the key to destroying anything Open Sourced. So can we finally say that Hell has Frozen Over? Microsoft Open Sources Parts of Visual Studio and releases Linux Software. Apple open sourced their language and it will work on Linux.

Open Source did not win. In fact it destroyed a lot of potential markets. With this move Apple is dragging more and more developers that would be interested in Go/ Java (aka Android world) to its net. This is a win for Apple only.

Post by chimeracoder » Mon, Jun 08, 2015, 11:42 PM UTC

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> Apple has a precedent for open source technologies like this. They also have a precedent for being less than friendly towards FOSS[0][1][2][3], despite the way they try to present themselves otherwise by listing their open source contributions prominently. Note that the author of these comments, saurik, is Jay Freeman, the creator of Cydia. Key quotes include: > Apple has simply never been in compliance with the LG…

Those are from 4 years ago. Something more recent would be useful. Especially since their contributions to LLVM, GCD, WebKit2 have been quite notable.