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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by yellowapple »

sorenjan wrote: post #285
chez17 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is beyond user friendly these days. It just depends on what you want. I gave my wife's parents, two old hippies who live in the middle of nowhere and have literally no computer skills, an old laptop with Ubuntu on it. It's been totally fine. If they can use it, anyone can. Long gone are the days of needing editing configuration files in a terminal editor. Of course power users still can, but for novice users it…

I wanted to use my Raspberry Pi to share an external NTFS formatted hard drive on the network. This required installing support for NTFS, making changes in fstab to mount it with read and write privileges, installing Samba, making changes in Samba's configuration file, making a new Samba user, restarting services, and probably more that I've since forgotten about. Every step needed to be researched through a mixture…

> This required installing support for NTFS

What distro were you using? Most ship with NTFS support last I checked (though perhaps there's a higher concentration of distros without NTFS support for the RPi).

Similarly: why even use NTFS in the first place if you're doing a network share? Samba can serve files from an ext4-formatted volume to a Windows client just fine. Unless you were planning on being able to remove the drive and plug it into a Windows machine directly, there's no need to use NTFS at all.

> Every step needed to be researched through a mixture of blog posts, Wikis and other online resources.

This is true of a lot of things, no matter which operating system one uses.

Remember that Samba is designed for enterprise environments. Setting up a fileshare in such an environment with Windows is typically just as complicated (but involving a lot of graphical wizards instead of configuration file editing), since there's a lot more involved than just right-clicking the drive letter and telling Windows to broadcast it on the network.

You're right that the process for sharing files over a network with Windows hosts ought to be made more accessible for home users. Linux doesn't really have a "Homegroup" equivalent, which is unfortunate.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

sremani wrote: post #229
sebastianavina wrote: post #218

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Depending on the type of user you are, but Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research.

Which way is Linux miles ahead ? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to understand. What features and functionality of Linux are missing in Windows that sets them miles apart ?

SMP is probably one of the reasons Linux is so beloved in research, Windows may have caught up there somewhat, but it wasn't too long ago when you had to pay extra for a version of Windows that would allow you to use a second processor. Windows isn't even an also-ran in supercomputers, which is a shame really. Also being able to have farms of Linux boxes without fussing about with Windows licenses.

Networking is another. Windows at least used to have a bunch of different crippleware SKUs with differing networking abilities

Filesystems, Linux supports tons of them out of the box.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by nwp90 »

listic wrote: post #145
beagle3 wrote: post #42

I would love to here the inside story here. Based on my experience with Win7 and Win8, I expect that Win10 would have crawled (or not at all worked) with the slower CPU and smaller memory. My guess would be that the Raspberry Pi 2 is, in fact, a Microsoft initiative rather than an RPi Foundation initiative - and that Microsoft have actually contributed significant funds to make this possible. Either way, that is good…

That makes sense. After all, they were not going to release an RPi 2 until 2017, and now - suddenly - they have a new version with Windows ( version ) support from the get go! http://www.extremetech.com/computing/186263-raspberry-pi-2-t...

Seems more likely Broadcom have been helpful than MS from what the RPi folk have said. I'd guess that they weren't originally expecting it to be feasible to get what appears to be a custom SoC made.

Note that when the B+ board was designed, they already knew the pinout of the new chip and were leaving space for it.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by nwp90 »

microtonal wrote: post #37

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

"My fear is that teachers will now choose for Windows on the RPi, since that is what they know."

Well, no. Almost none will have used Windows without the GUI.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by Shorel »

wfunction wrote: post #260
okasaki wrote: post #235

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Just off the top of my head: package management, live-cd functionality, architecture support, command-line interfaces, GUI variety, kernel customization, scaling to low-powered harware, licencing.

GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

As a current Ubuntu user, I think you are just spreading old, outdated FUD.

The GUI works and it is in fact just as good as Win8 (which I dualboot). When using virtual desktops, it's far better, and makes me more productive.

The package management is amazing. Chocolatey sucks in comparison.

What I fail to see, is what these basic computer functions have to do with research.

Visual Studio has a lot to do with research, and it is a fantastic tool in its own right. The GDB debugger is a piece of ancient garbage in comparison to VS debugger.

You could have focused on the real issues instead of your uninformed outdated FUD.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by sorenjan »

yellowapple wrote: post #351
sorenjan wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to use my Raspberry Pi to share an external NTFS formatted hard drive on the network. This required installing support for NTFS, making changes in fstab to mount it with read and write privileges, installing Samba, making changes in Samba's configuration file, making a new Samba user, restarting services, and probably more that I've since forgotten about. Every step needed to be researched through a mixture…

> This required installing support for NTFS What distro were you using? Most ship with NTFS support last I checked (though perhaps there's a higher concentration of distros without NTFS support for the RPi). Similarly: why even use NTFS in the first place if you're doing a network share? Samba can serve files from an ext4-formatted volume to a Windows client just fine. Unless you were planning on being able to remove…

> why even use NTFS in the first place if you're doing a network share? [...] Unless you were planning on being able to remove the drive and plug it into a Windows machine directly

That's exactly what I was planning. Also, the drive already had data on it that was supposed to be shared.

I did not intend to start a Linux-Windows flame war, I merely pointed out that for the majority of people buying a Raspberry Pi 2 for the purpose of using it for other things that learning Linux, Windows will be an acceptable choice and in a lot of circumstances probably get out of their way more than Linux. On the other hand, I don't know how you would use the GPIO pins in Windows, but that's easy in Linux. It depends on what you're doing and what you're used to.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by [deleted] »

Shorel wrote: post #356
wfunction wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

As a current Ubuntu user, I think you are just spreading old, outdated FUD. The GUI works and it is in fact just as good as Win8 (which I dualboot). When using virtual desktops, it's far better, and makes me more productive. The package management is amazing. Chocolatey sucks in comparison. What I fail to see, is what these basic computer functions have to do with research. Visual Studio has a lot to do with research…

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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by wfunction »

Shorel wrote: post #356
wfunction wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

As a current Ubuntu user, I think you are just spreading old, outdated FUD. The GUI works and it is in fact just as good as Win8 (which I dualboot). When using virtual desktops, it's far better, and makes me more productive. The package management is amazing. Chocolatey sucks in comparison. What I fail to see, is what these basic computer functions have to do with research. Visual Studio has a lot to do with research…

What is the latest version of Ubuntu that you consider "outdated"?
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