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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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> "I have a very clear message for Google, Bing, Yahoo and the rest. You have a duty to act on this – and it is a moral duty. If there are technical obstacles to acting on [search engines], don't just stand by and say nothing can be done; use your great brains to help overcome them. >"You're the people who have worked out how to map almost every inch of the Earth from space; who have developed algorithms that make se…

It's like he's a child asking Mummy and Daddy to bring his dead hamster back to life.

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Are there any real studies on the "corrosive influence" of porn on children? I'm pretty sure every young teen boy has seen porn these days. The only actual studies I'm aware of say that porn reduces actually violent sex crimes. It acts as a substitute.

Citation, please? Everything I've seen suggests that porn is pretty socially debilitating, especially for the current generation which has grown up with almost ubiquitous access to it (see for example http://www.internetsafety101.org/upload/file/Social%20Costs%... ). And that's not even the really nasty stuff.

The report you linked to was produced by the Hoover Institution and the Witherspoon Institute. Do you have any reports that weren't produced by gay-hating Christianist organizations? Thanks.

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It is not possible for anyone to block access to https://www.google.com/?q=specific+thing over a long period of time without either custom modifications to every affected client or help from Google itself. Google's long rocky experience with China proves exactly that.

Not at a 100% level, but we know the Chinese government (and I suspect the UK government) are capable of deploying faked google.com SSL certs which'll pass unnoticed by just about anyone who's not using a certificate-pinning version of Chrome. And China(/Iran/Egypt) clearly has national-border level firewalls capable of using such faked SSL certs to MITM and deep packet inspect entire countries worth of internet traf…

Yes, but they are not capable of getting away with it for any length of time.

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There are a lot of assumptions here. (1) You know (or can tell) what content your kids are exposed to on the internet. Most kids I know are quite adept at keeping what they are upto hidden from their parents and that isnt unique to the current generation. (2) Parents have a much better sense of content, kids are exposed to on TV (where content is regulated and rated for the most part) than on the internet. (3)Even if…

Kids aren't exposed to anything on the internet. It is not a push medium. I have used the internet for 20 years now and I don't think I have ever involuntarily encountered a porn site.

Really? You've never seen a pornographic pop-up advert? I'm not supporting this proposal, I just find your statement hard to believe.

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Do you have kids? If it offends your sensibilities censorship is always an option :)

Saying this is about offended sensibilities constitutes a gross and cheap misrepresentation of my argument, but it's also interesting that you're pro censorship when the government does it for dubious reasons, and at the same time you cry foul when someone complains about your methods on a private forum. Again, this is not necessarily about the opinions you're expressing, it's about your "commenting" style. Filtering…

Surely you can see the irony is your expression of the hope that the user is banned.

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A comment today on Nicky Cambell's bbc phone in: > I'm a social worker, and once this goes into force, I will know that any household where the kids have access to porn has come from a parent making a conscious choice to let it happen.

If they also buy the sun, or stuff like the technology wank-mag T3 ( https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&so... ), presumably they are also equally complicit.

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Saying this is about offended sensibilities constitutes a gross and cheap misrepresentation of my argument, but it's also interesting that you're pro censorship when the government does it for dubious reasons, and at the same time you cry foul when someone complains about your methods on a private forum. Again, this is not necessarily about the opinions you're expressing, it's about your "commenting" style. Filtering…

Surely you can see the irony is your expression of the hope that the user is banned.

Tell me why people like Sven7 get away with pretty much any lazy rhetoric, including literally repeating the same senseless 4 word question several times in lieu of writing a real post? How is it that when he complained about my desire to "censor" him for spamming the thread nobody reminded him of the irony of being a staunch supporter of government censorship? Honestly, tell me how this works.

Look at his behavior in this thread and tell me it's perfectly fine. I mean this seriously, you're a user with gigantic amounts of karma, certainly more than I'll ever have. If you think it's OK, I'll cede that I clearly had the wrong idea about how this place should work, and I'll apologize for overstepping.

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Surely you can see the irony is your expression of the hope that the user is banned.

Tell me why people like Sven7 get away with pretty much any lazy rhetoric, including literally repeating the same senseless 4 word question several times in lieu of writing a real post? How is it that when he complained about my desire to "censor" him for spamming the thread nobody reminded him of the irony of being a staunch supporter of government censorship? Honestly, tell me how this works. Look at his behavior i…

It's not fine, that's why his repeated cheap shots about 'do you have kids' were removed. On the other hand, two wrongs don't make a right - the notion of permanently banning him from participating doesn't make a lot of sense either.

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Tell me why people like Sven7 get away with pretty much any lazy rhetoric, including literally repeating the same senseless 4 word question several times in lieu of writing a real post? How is it that when he complained about my desire to "censor" him for spamming the thread nobody reminded him of the irony of being a staunch supporter of government censorship? Honestly, tell me how this works. Look at his behavior i…

It's not fine, that's why his repeated cheap shots about 'do you have kids' were removed. On the other hand, two wrongs don't make a right - the notion of permanently banning him from participating doesn't make a lot of sense either.

Two wrongs? You're really asserting that stating my opinion was at least as bad as his behavior? Granted, it's probably a good thing I don't have the power to actually ban someone, but I think I did a reasonable job of at trying to explain the rationale behind my wish. And why doesn't the notion of banning make sense in this case? People have certainly been hellbanned for less.

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It's not fine, that's why his repeated cheap shots about 'do you have kids' were removed. On the other hand, two wrongs don't make a right - the notion of permanently banning him from participating doesn't make a lot of sense either.

Two wrongs? You're really asserting that stating my opinion was at least as bad as his behavior? Granted, it's probably a good thing I don't have the power to actually ban someone, but I think I did a reasonable job of at trying to explain the rationale behind my wish. And why doesn't the notion of banning make sense in this case? People have certainly been hellbanned for less.

Stop taking it so personally. All I did was point out that your request was somewhat ironic, now you're projecting your anger at him onto me.
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