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Re: iOS 7

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Post by kbenson » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:15 AM UTC

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #259

kbenson wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You take issue with the assumption that "being technical" may lead you to a less gender specific view of tech? Or do you take issue with gender specific viewpoints in general? In either case, simply quoting an excerpt is fairly pointless, as individual readers will make their own assumption, as I have that you did so because you have a problem with the statement.

I won't point out just how much is wrong with the excerpt that OP has quoted (because HN is a gender-troll breeding ground unworthy of my time), but you should definitely research gender-based descrimination. It will make you a better person and a more successful leader!

I'm going to assume you meant this as an aside, and not in response to my comment, as to do otherwise would be... uncharitable of me.

I believe there are interpretations of the OP that are not discriminatory or sexist, assuming you believe there can be any difference in the point of view of a particular gender given the culture they are brought up in.

I believe it's our responsibility as participants in the discussion to attempt to understand one another before levying charges, not only because it's the charitable thing to do, but because I wholeheartedly believe it leads to better, more rational discourse.

To do otherwise leads to, to paraphrase you, a gender-troll breeding ground unworthy of our time.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by codex » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:40 AM UTC

For ease of recognition, the positive and negative spaces of a given form should be about equal in area. In this respect iOS 7 fails miserably. It's as if they've forgotten hundreds of years of collective design wisdom.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by montagg » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:41 AM UTC

awj wrote: post #92

bcks wrote: post #62

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Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the thinner typeface? I mean, I mostly use my phone to read email. Why would they reduce contrast on the default text and make it even harder to read?! Just because you have higher resolution screens, doesn't mean you can get away with a thinner sans serif. What's the point if everyone has to increase the size of the text to read it?

> Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the thinner typeface? No, of course they didn't. Apple is widely acknowledged in the industry as having amateurish design and an utter lack of anything resembling perfectionism or attention to detail. Seriously, this may be a flop from them, but I cannot comprehend the mindset that would surmise they did no usability testing off a few screenshots.

> Apple is widely acknowledged in the industry as having amateurish design and an utter lack of anything resembling perfectionism or attention to detail.

I would love to see your source on this one, because I never stop hearing the opposite.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by montagg » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:43 AM UTC

ghshephard wrote: post #343

rabino wrote: post #73

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Are you seriously asking if Apple did usability testing for a design decision? Really?

Rabino - I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. I'm trying to understand if you are commenting on Apple's well known philosophy of not engaging in any form of end-user design engagement, or whether you believe that a company of Apple's stature would absolutely engage in usability testing. A lot (many? most?) of Apple's design decisions are made by designers who create the best product, based on a combination of t…

I've seen more than one poorly designed, poorly executed product go to market with lots of user testing. I'd love to have someone from Apple comment on their design process, because it's really just conjecture that they do or don't usability test their products, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by Simucal » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:04 AM UTC

runjake wrote: post #279

simonbarker87 wrote: post #54

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At the risk of getting flamed, you haven't actually tried it in the real world yet - you've looked at it on you monitor ...

I have. I'm typing this from iOS 7. My opinion has changed little from seeing it on the Keynote to actually using it. Some graphic details don't seem as bad in person and others are much worse. On the plus side, it's very speedy. Plus, it makes existing 3rd party apps look glorious, with their attractive, last-generation looks.

Are you running the same iOS 7 as I am? "Very speedy" is the last thing I would call it. Every animation seems to have horrible lag on my iPhone 5.

This early build doesn't seem to be optimized very much.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by dexcs » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:19 AM UTC

It's time for a 7.1 like microsoft did it with windows... I can't believe that steve controlled all this and pushed it in the right direction. And now apple takes the same route to the ground....

Re: iOS 7

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Post by tekst » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:39 AM UTC

Flat, Rich Text ,Gentle Beam, mess up, etc

Re: iOS 7

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Post by gurkendoktor » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:47 AM UTC

nicholassmith wrote: post #280

bcks wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the thinner typeface? I mean, I mostly use my phone to read email. Why would they reduce contrast on the default text and make it even harder to read?! Just because you have higher resolution screens, doesn't mean you can get away with a thinner sans serif. What's the point if everyone has to increase the size of the text to read it?

Apple has significantly invested in accessibility technologies for iOS and OS X. The tail doesn't wag the dog, but I don't think they'll have out and out ignored accessibility concerns (legibility and usability for larger numbers) after convincing developers to go down that route.

One HN posting I just remembered from a while ago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4590615

Re: iOS 7

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Post by gurkendoktor » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:52 AM UTC

midnitewarrior wrote: post #215

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #96

This comment thread is why the internet is bashing so hard on HN. This is so extremely negative and hyperbolic, It's hard to understand. There are certainly things to be criticized in iOS 7, but invoking a plea to the holy lord for answers, is a bit extreme. Can't we at least temper our criticisms with a few things we found positive and a good attitude? Let me give it a try. I am really excited about the control pane…

This isn't Apple's UI, it's everybody who owns an iDevice's UI, and it looks like people are taking this redesign quite personally...time to switch? :/

...especially because it seems natural that OS X will follow! Switching away from the iPhone is easy for me, iPad might be harder, but leaving OS X is just impossible for me right now.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by nnq » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 6:58 AM UTC

Metro done right! (well, much better at least)

> distinct functional layers help establish hierarchy and order and the use of translucency give you a sense of your context

...when the MS design guys ditched Aero style aesthetics of skeumorphism and transparency, they actually threw the baby with the bath water, they didn't realize that layering and transparency are the missing ingredient for adding order and hierarchy to flat design. yeah, avoiding hierarchy and "flat is better than nested" are good ideas, but for any non trivial GUI you need some order and hierarchy, and transparency is the only thing left to use for this after ditching skeumorphism. as usual, Apple gets design right! (though kind of late...)