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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by unreal37 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:03 PM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #172

drridta wrote: post #161

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If I would be Mr Hank I would go and sue Adria as she took a photo of him and distributed it without his consent. This is a serious privacy issue. I would like to read her post after she gets fired in a similar way because of a photo. I'm sure she would feel the pain.

And you would lose. > In the United States [..] consent is not as a rule required to photograph people in public places and publish those photos. Hence, unless there are specific local laws to the contrary, overriding legal concerns (e.g., defamation) or moral concerns (e.g., picture unfairly obtained) [..] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_ide...

Great link, but it also says this:

"Even in countries that have no law of privacy, there is a moral obligation on us not to upload photographs which infringe the subject's reasonable expectation of privacy."

It was immoral of her to publish that photo, but not illegal.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by BHSPitMonkey » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:04 PM UTC

nawitus wrote: post #340

truthtacular wrote: post #286

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Hi. Savagedm came in here to sing your praises. I just wanted to let you know--before you graciously acknowledge his adulation--that he represents a large and fairly freaky population of misogynists on reddit who typically congregate in http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/ , and who have an especially sharp hatred for feminists of any stripe (be they ever so humble). The giveaway is > Women frequently engage in behavi…

"fairly freaky population of misogynists on reddit" Wrong. "Don't be fooled. The Men's Rights subreddit is just thinly veiled misogyny, often with some white supremacy thrown in the mix." Wrong.

I understand this thread is triggering a Reddit mentality in a lot of people due to the overlap, but just for the purpose of clarification: Comment replies that do nothing more than say "Wrong." and leave it at that really don't have a place here.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by csmattryder » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:04 PM UTC

wmt wrote: post #333

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

While everyone is riled up about Adria Richards getting offended and publicly shaming the person who made a joke about big dongles, you should keep in mind that she did not fire anyone. PlayHaven did. PlayHaven could have decided to be the responsible party and handle the incident constructively, but they did not want to do that. Even Adria, who still appears to think that the public shaming was a good thing to do, a…

I shot a comment over, but the damage has probably been done at this point. I can't see PlayHaven hiring mr_hank back, and to be honest, I would guess it'd be slightly awkward.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:07 PM UTC

kumar303 wrote: post #285

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

It makes me sad that HN reinforces the fact that women have a hard time participating in s/tech conferences/tech forums/g PyCon was 20% female this year which was a remarkable milestone. Along with this milestone came an amplification of why it was so hard for PyCon to reach that milestone. This was not an isolated issue; Titus' post provides a good summary of the general harassment women faced at PyCon http://ivory.…

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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by WalterSear » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:07 PM UTC

craftyPseudonym wrote: post #279

savagedm wrote: post #223

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While I am only a visitor from Reddit on this website and I will likely not post on here again, I felt compelled to make an account and reply to your post. You sir, win the internet award for 3-20-13 for your outstanding writing, cogent points, and social awareness. One does not often see this quality of writing and thoughts combined into a singular document on internet sites, and for making me think at the end "oh m…

I say that rather than focusing on women's rights or men's rights, we as a society need to put more of an emphasis on equality overall, and making a concerted effort to eliminate sexism from both directions at the same time. In doing so it would help with the issue of the historically oppressed group B from rising to a point in which group A is now oppressed, as either a byproduct of the increase in rights or as reve…

The problem is that people have difficulty in recognizing sexism when it isn't pointed at them.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by wyager » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:09 PM UTC

kumar303 wrote: post #285

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

It makes me sad that HN reinforces the fact that women have a hard time participating in s/tech conferences/tech forums/g PyCon was 20% female this year which was a remarkable milestone. Along with this milestone came an amplification of why it was so hard for PyCon to reach that milestone. This was not an isolated issue; Titus' post provides a good summary of the general harassment women faced at PyCon http://ivory.…

An immature penis joke is not "harassment". You shouldn't throw that word around like it's meaningless. Harassment is a serious thing, and this joke most certainly is not.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by truthtacular » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:10 PM UTC

nawitus wrote: post #338

bobwaycott wrote: post #305

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Hey, thanks for the compliment and kind words. I appreciate that. However, I must emphatically and proudly express that I do not support the negation and devaluing of women's (as well as ethnic, [other] cultural, LGBT, etc.) rights by way of reactionary countering with a "men's rights" movement. One of the most pressing reasons is that such a movement would likely result in a majority of white, heterosexual male adhe…

"However, I must emphatically and proudly express that I do not support the negation and devaluing of women's (as well as ethnic, [other] cultural, LGBT, etc.) rights by way of reactionary countering with a "men's rights" movement." Then you don't support equality. Men have the same amount of gender equality issues (maybe even more) than women in Western countries. "From a historical perspective alone" History has no…

> Men have the same amount of gender equality issues (maybe even more) than women in Western countries.

FYI, when you stay stuff like that, you seem totally unhinged to people who have actual contact with the real world. That may sound harsh, but I ain't in this internet arguin' business to baby folks.

The "facts" you link to are pretty laughable. You seriously found a reputable source that says men are more likely to be raped than women? Amazing.

> Meanwhile in history men have been forced to fight bloody wars, work to death in horrible conditions etc.

I hate how women are always forcing men to go fight wars. Also, ugh, hard work sucks! The United Nations Development Programme tells us that

"Women perform 66 percent of the world’s work, produce 50 percent of the food, but earn only 10 percent of the income and own only one percent of the property." (http://tinyurl.com/cy2dtzs)

You can argue with these facts and figures, question them--how they were compiled, what they really mean, etc.--but the vast preponderance of evidence, gathered by scholars and researchers (male and female) from many fields over many years, is going to contest your assertions.

And the worst part is...you probably have a handful of really good points buried in amongst all the nonsense. Like about how courts automatically seem to favor mothers in custody cases, like about the draft exempting women, etc. But how seriously is anyone going to take those genuine concerns when they can't be seen through the morass of much sillier claims?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by kirk89 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:14 PM UTC

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Why are you apologizing? This woman ruined your life because you made a fucking "dongle" joke! Grow a set man. I would be pissed off to no end

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by ano3879 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:16 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #303

Anton338 wrote: post #297

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You are in no position to imply anything. Please refrain from posting your uneducated opinion regarding websites you don't frequent.

What part of my "opinion" was "uneducated"?

The part where you assign a value of quality to "reddit". Would you had visited the website, you'd known that due to its number of users and (this is important) many subreddits, assigning a value to "reddit" instead of a specific subreddit is akin to assign a value to "the internet" when in reality you meant to degrade a specific forum/website.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mkr-hn » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 11:23 PM UTC

uchi wrote: post #320

mkr-hn wrote: post #284

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Language policing helps your argument a lot.

In this case it actually does. There's absolutely no need to change strawman to strawpeople, other than the necessary implied injustice that you feel for the fact that the word contains 'man', and therefore must somehow be corrected to contain both sexes. It's a silly changing of nomenclature for no other purpose than to generate a feeling of self congratulatory accomplishment over a wrong that doesn't actually exist…

I use it because I think it sounds better, not out of whatever you tried to get at in all those screedy words. But you go ahead with your attempt at mind reading.