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Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by abirch »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #193
bdcravens wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"nor should it be" is connected to "being worth millions". It's not that it isn't worth money, but it's more of a lifestyle business than the sort of thing that will drive a tech company with employees, marketing, and conference budgets.

I think if you said "couldn't be a venture backed startup", I'd 100% agree with you. Can't support employees or a marketing budget is a much lower bar, and I think that's perfectly achievable by something like Tailwind (or I guess was prior to AI)

I’m a die hard engineer, yet when I see Apple, Microsoft, and Google marketing: it makes me realize the importance of marketing.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by paulhebert »

vehemenz wrote: post #300
invalidusernam3 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs seem to work well with tailwind which I assume is because there was a lot of tailwind in the training data. As a human I never found tailwind to be particularly easy to work with anyway (mostly because I can't be bothered to learn another CSS framework) so I was constantly checking the docs when manually writing code. But I do like the rigidity it forces, which is probably a good thing for AI coding as well.

I don't really get this argument. 90% of Tailwind is shorthand for existing CSS properties. There's really not much to learn if you already know CSS.

Except for all those specific shorthands?

I used it for months at s previous job and spent a lot of time googling “how do I write X CSS property in Tailwind”

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by moritzwarhier »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #129

Oh, bejesus. Shopify awards the Stupefiers. Why would anyone need any kind of framework for CSS?! It's the inherent human need to control something, to package water and sell it as magical water. I've never understood the whole idea. Bootstrap: the hard-to-remember, horrible shitshow forced on frontend devs. And people thought there couldn't possibly be anything lower than that. Then Tailwind arrived. Apparently, fro…

> It's like building a framework to simplify the SQL dialect. In reality, there's zero need for it

Years of people deploying web apps and using (My-)SQL without prepared statements provide a counterexample to this. One can argue about ORMs, but stating SQL would need no abstraction layer around it seems questionable to me :/

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by paulhebert »

madrox wrote: post #289
fg137 wrote: post #42

Serious question: is there a need to reach for tailwind if you are building a new site? Won't using vanilla CSS while taking advantage of the latest features be pretty good, since humans are not manually making edits (which removes many of the pain points of maintaining CSS), while simplifying dependency and the build pipeline?

I believe if react had made inline styling of components less verbose then tailwind wouldn't exist

Yeah I think if React had adopted Vue’s scoped model early on then CSS Tailwind would be much less popular

(I much prefer the scoped CSS model)

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by recursive »

bvrmn wrote: post #341
fg137 wrote: post #42

Serious question: is there a need to reach for tailwind if you are building a new site? Won't using vanilla CSS while taking advantage of the latest features be pretty good, since humans are not manually making edits (which removes many of the pain points of maintaining CSS), while simplifying dependency and the build pipeline?

Without tailwind LLMs tend to use inline random colors, random sizes and radiuses. Project becomes an unmaintainable design soup really fast. Even with tailwind first priority is to define dark/light theme with semantic colors. After it's a smooth sail (sort of, routing, forms, state ownership and persistent url state are still an alien concept for clankers).

My clanker made my vanilla css with branding color variables. shrug.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by andix »

vazark wrote: post #88
fg137 wrote: post #42

Serious question: is there a need to reach for tailwind if you are building a new site? Won't using vanilla CSS while taking advantage of the latest features be pretty good, since humans are not manually making edits (which removes many of the pain points of maintaining CSS), while simplifying dependency and the build pipeline?

IMO, Tailwind is just inline CSS with standardised defaults. I think it found its place because most React devs didn't want to bother with CSS

It's inline CSS, but with all the limitations of inline styles removed. There is a lot of stuff that can't be done with inline styles, like media queries.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by dandano »

I'm a very happy tailwind plus customer, I paid for their expertise on crafting good templates and best practices. Bit sad that they aren't going to add more but it was inevitable with AI cutting their lunch.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by hackernud3s »

ecshafer wrote: post #146

When I was at Shopify we used Tailwind along with our internal component library to great effect. Tailwind is a great css framework, but their business model is doomed by AI. Tobi acquihiring them for making a great product is a good result.

You're talking about Polaris? I really don't see how they're compatible or how Tailwind is useful to those liquid templates. The only thing that makes sense to me is headless Shopify, maybe that's the direction Shopify is headed in? But they've been struggling to get any traction there it seems to me.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Post by pier25 »

colesantiago wrote: post #319
fnwbr wrote: post #316

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money > principles is getting tired

No. it rules everything. From OSS, to family, health, employees to everything that requires money. This is how I know you've never been in a leadership position which is why you don't understand this. If so, why didn't you and pier25 buy Tailwind Labs to save them from being bought by Shopify and Tobi? (who is apparently being called a Nazi by those who hate him) As they say with this Tailwind situation: Money talks.…

> who is apparently being called a Nazi by those who hate him

Maybe nazi is not the right word but he has some pretty radical political views such as ending universal suffrage.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shopify-ceo-endorses-idea-to-...

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