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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by dismalaf »

Zylokloto wrote: post #266
giwook wrote: post #237

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It's interesting to see how defensive some of these pro-China posters get on HN and elsewhere. I'm genuinely curious why there seems to be an inferiority complex here with respect to America/American companies.

I'm not a pro-china poster, i'm from germany and didn't find this 'funny'. Apple is the second richest company on the world (which doesn't need help/protection?!) and they have experts in chip design. Xiamoi is some random chinese company not known for high end chips and was able to catch up impressivly in a short period of time. This fact doesn't get funny or wahtever just because apple brought out a new chip today.…

> catch up impressivly in a short period of time.

They're using ARM designed cores. So it's more like Apple just isn't as far ahead of ARM as some people claim.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by bingo-bongo »

derwiki wrote: post #176
bayindirh wrote: post #117

I know, this is a bit of a meaningless comment, but it's funny in a way. Feels like late 90s again: - Xiaomi: We have matched Apple in CPU performance. - Apple: *Meep Meep...*

Reading Infinite Games, they tell an anecdote about a Microsoft exec on a flight telling an Apple exec that the Zune was a way better portable music player than the iPod. The Apple exec was just “yup, you’re probably right” and then soon after the iPhone dropped

Simon Sinek - Apple vs Microsoft: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOftmUJ6a4

But it had nothing to do with the iPod/iPhone release in his story.

(story starts ~1:15, but I highly recommend the entire talk)

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by kstenerud »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #345
brookst wrote: post #152

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100%. We're probably on the cusp of over-capacity, a glut, cheap RAM, bankruptcies, and shortages.

The memory companies report that they're sold out through 2027... so it might be a while

That's only if the AI companies continue their build outs.

How many people actually use fable over opus? How far are we up the diminishing returns curve, and will their customers even care?

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by timfsu »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #334
maherbeg wrote: post #123

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If I can get Sol level capabilities on a $20k machine, then it is well worth it for my employer to buy me that machine for work as a workstation. When you start paying in tokens vs subscription costs due to enterprise agreements, you really start to see how much cash utilizing frontier models at the frontier costs (and I'm efficiently using luna and other models where possible!)

I don't think this is accurate. Even using multiple windows in parallel for as many as 5-10 hours per day, I find that I am not fully using my claude max (20x) and chatgpt pro (20x) accounts. I can for sure use up the claude max account, but chatgpt either gives me a free reset before I run out of tokens or I just fail to use the full quota. The quota for Sol seems like 10x that of Claude Opus at the same level, and…

Subscriptions are, and will likely remain, the best deal in town. Unfortunately, larger companies aren't able to do that. When your monthly token costs are in the $5-10k range, the local inference starts to look a lot more attractive

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by wat10000 »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #347
derwiki wrote: post #176

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Reading Infinite Games, they tell an anecdote about a Microsoft exec on a flight telling an Apple exec that the Zune was a way better portable music player than the iPod. The Apple exec was just “yup, you’re probably right” and then soon after the iPhone dropped

To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement. The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

It was better in every way you can quantify in a tech specs listing, and not in any way that actually matters to the customer.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by SXX »

serf wrote: post #59
SXX wrote: post #40

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You can connect up to 4 of them via RDMA so 2TB total RAM. Its cheaper than Nvidia AI hardware.

also way slower if we're just going against 'nvidia hardware'.

Even at high announced pricing 4 of them still much more accessible than any Nvidia solution with same amount of VRAM,

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by devmor »

pdpi wrote: post #233
SSLy wrote: post #139

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Looks like I'll be sporting my 5800X3D + DDR4 + 9070 XT gaming box for a little while. Too bad the CPU's ST is slower than my MB Air m4.

I built a new PC about two years ago, and I probably got it at the last possible opportunity for a while. CPU and motherboard have come down by maybe £100 in between the two of them, but a 7900 xtx (or any other 24GB GPU) for under £1,000 now seems like a bargain, and £180 for 64GB of DDR5 makes me feel like an old man talking about the halcyon days.

I built my current PC the day that the AM5 platform released, for about $6k not including the 3090 I moved over from the previous rig.

If I sold just the two sticks of RAM in it right now, it’d pay for nearly half of the total cost.

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Post by yipinwong »

deaux wrote: post #303
yipinwong wrote: post #247

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25 day old account, very first comment about using US models because you can't trust China? Be gone russian bot @TRACK: yipinwong Just kidding but seriously man, this level of paranoia isn't healthy. Try talking about it with someone you trust. The comment you're replying to is completely normal.

ty for the concern.

I'd like to back up my belief and claims based on my metrics and experience.

If data backs it up, then I will apply my baynesian thinking to change my mind.

Anecdotes normally triumphs in real life and biz, but not in online communities.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by [deleted] »

wat10000 wrote: post #355
VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #347

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To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement. The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

It was better in every way you can quantify in a tech specs listing, and not in any way that actually matters to the customer.

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