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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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js8 wrote: post #346
mulmen wrote: post #312

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The social graph is the source of the fake news and manipulation. Before social media the social graph was email and it was all the same slop and misinformation. Before that it was literally physical mail. Look up chain letters. Truly nothing is new. If I certify my racist thanksgiving ruining uncle is a real person that doesn’t actually help you avoid misinformation. I honestly don’t care if the information I consum…

I don't think you understand what I mean by public social graph. What I mean is that anybody could publish or withdraw statements of two forms: - "I, owner of account A, certify that owner of account B is human." - "I, owner of account C, have a reason to trust/distrust the certification of account A about account B." The collection of these statements would be the public social graph. The social graph would then be…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by dgellow »

King-Aaron wrote: post #228
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

Hah, check out this video on "Egon Cholakain", in regards to fake online personalities. I promise you this is actually a good rabbit hole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zLCZ_Ic1hI

WTH did I just watch. That’s extremely weird

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by saidnooneever »

culi wrote: post #92
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

It's already been happening for a very long time. The US' "Operation Earnest Voice" happened in 2010/2011[0] And it's not just state actors. Anyone who was online during the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trials was likely inundated with media about that trial. Both of their legal teams utilized bots to drive online discussions[1][2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice [1] https://www.latimes.com/enter…

this has been happening since the dawn of information-communication systems basically. because ever since, people have had the ability to listen in, copy, learn from etc. - so there's always been incentive to spread disinformation for some parties.

brand defence, nation-state influence operations.

There are many different flavors of the same thing, trying to mislead competitors or enemies. Or to dupe consumers ofc... Since the tech is more and more available, now also 12 year olds can run insanely large influence campaigns, to boost their streaming profiles or other somewhat benign things, but obviously modelled after what larger players have been doing forever.

The first transatlantic commercial transatlantic phoneline (TAT-1) was immediately tapped on both sides by UK/US... before that it went over radio, which was simply intercepted.

Because of that nature of the coms system being easily listened in on, just like they do/did with the lil mirror-beam-splitters at GCHQ etc.., its been natural effect to then provide disinformation over those channels. perhaps even use those channels exclusively for disinformation, and have a secure channel to do _actual_ coms.

So as you can imagine there has been many decades now of practice in why and how to share disinformation effectively to undermine other peoples work or processes.

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petesergeant wrote: post #220
bawolff wrote: post #166

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Propaganda is not a new thing. It might look slightly different on the internet, but it doesn't look that different. Creating organizations to push a narrative was just as much a thing 100 years ago as it is now.

Scale is different though. Tapping a phone isn't new, tapping _all phones_ is different. Altering a photo to change what it appears to depict isn't new, being able to do it in a few seconds and for free is different. So sure, propaganda isn't new, but being able to pump out an organization's worth of credible-looking content for cheap absolutely is.

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Post by yoavm »

Planktonne wrote: post #345
yoavm wrote: post #309

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I'm assuming you're asking genuinely so I will answer. For context, I'm originally Israeli, but I only heard about this from this HN thread. He was apparently on a podcast with a released hostage from Gaza. He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. He indeed said that we should target not only those that are an "immediate threat". I'm guessing he meant people who took part in…

> He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. Quite apart from anything else, I don't think these statements hang together, and we wouldn't accept them in any other context. Being targeted is not the same as being guilty.

I'm sorry but I can you elaborate? What exactly isn't hanging together? I'm assuming you don't mean that in other contexts is is okay to target an innocent person, but I'm not sure what you do mean.

Being targeted is indeed not the same as being guilty. One is being used in the context of war, and the other is used in the Justice system.

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Post by npn »

magic_hamster wrote: post #203
karim79 wrote: post #44

Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.

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Post by rithdmc »

HPsquared wrote: post #349
wiseowise wrote: post #320

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Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

Lunatics in bedrooms have been distributing pamphlets since the invention of the printing press.

I'd have called the folks on Skellig Michael lunatics in bedrooms, too. They just had a harder time copying their lunacy out by hand.

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Post by pjc50 »

hlynurd wrote: post #327
smalllangmodel wrote: post #310

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Well, you could also look at the history and cold war and NATO and so on, but sure, the Orcs are just having inferiority complexes!

Is there a specific point you want to make or are you just vagueposting?

Tankie. Possibly mechanized (AI) tankie, these days.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by pjc50 »

HPsquared wrote: post #349
wiseowise wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

Lunatics in bedrooms have been distributing pamphlets since the invention of the printing press.

Arguably much of the mid-20th century was the pipeline from "lunatic with pamphlet" => "millions dead".

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Post by user43928 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #54
hackernud3s wrote: post #51

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https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany... > “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people. ” The man used to have a shrine to a mass murderer…

If you hear extraordinary claims, such as the comment above that claims Ben-Gvir called for the daily killing of 30-40 Palestinians, you should ask not only for solid evidence but also context.

I am not at all surprised that it was a comment about the targeted assassination of terrorists, or people who participated in the October 7th terrorist attack, or something like that.

These tactics are obvious. Take a quote out of context, omit the part that points at the real context ("targeted assassination") and tack on "Palestinians" instead, so that it sounds like a clear call to murder civilians.

Do you not think we should aim for higher standards in discussion on here?

It reminds me of headlines claiming Trump threatened a blood bath [for the auto industry] if he isn't elected.

How gullible do people who quote out of context think we are?

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