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As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by keiferski »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #328
keiferski wrote: post #323

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Can’t say I agree. The most influential ideas in history were not conceived of by people looking for money and recognition. Nor were they “radically original.”

Which were? Look at AI. AI companies throw out their models and let the "community" develop the ideas what to do with them. They don't really know what they are capable of. All they do is implement these things that the dev community digs up and creates. It's a reprehensible tactic. So why give drops of blood to a desert, when there is zero incentive and in the end you will revitalise the desert, but it will turn aga…

I think we are talking past each other. I was referring to ideas as in philosophy, intellectual history, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_history

https://www.amazon.com/1001-Ideas-That-Changed-Think/dp/1476...

The notion that a philosopher would hoard his ideas because he wants to get money from them is pretty much antithetical to the field.

You seem to be referring to ideas as in, ideas about how AI systems should be designed.

Different scenarios, for sure.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by inigyou »

sph wrote: post #310
zelphirkalt wrote: post #304

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To understand your comment correctly: What does "these islands" refer to? Walled gardens that we create ourselves using the open source frameworks?

It's still a work in progress of an idea. I'm thinking more like mesh networks. I spoke of Reticulum elsewhere in this thread, but here I'm thinking I'd like the ability to easily join multiple TCP/IP networks ( islands of connectivity ) by social group (my friends) or by interest (pirate file-sharing group, my work intranet, a knitting community with their own IRC server, FTP, etc.). Basically easy-to-use private &…

The purpose of The Inter-Network, or internet for short, was to connect together precisely these "multiple networks" that you refer to.

It's failed because of CGNAT, but come back because of IPv6.

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Post by inigyou »

jfyi wrote: post #307
chrisjj wrote: post #240

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And how is any future viewer going to tell your images from "AI" fakes?

With photos, I could see a cryptographic solution. Of course it would still need some kind of centralized trust, but it's doable if people cared enough. It could be applied by cameras themselves.

So take a photo of a screen showing an AI image.

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Post by HSO »

sph wrote: post #303
sixtyj wrote: post #287

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Just do it for yourself. I stopped worrying about who’s gonna use it. 20 years ago I thought that we will wait to have kids as “a war will come”. I was overthinking and I am happy now that I changed my mind :) Is it useful or does it make you happy? Or it might even make some money? Nice. Do it. My life is easier.

That's the same conclusion I reached. I'll keep publishing static websites, so I don't even have to worry about load and CPU usage. I don't care who reads it, the value for me is in writing. I still haven't changed my mind on the "shall I have kids" problem :P

if the value is for oneself, why go through the extra trouble of publishing it though?

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Post by inigyou »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #322
smackeyacky wrote: post #264

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Behind every great fortune is a great crime

What is the great crime behind Norway's sovereign wealth fund?

It comes from selling oil and gas reserves, so they did destroy the environment.

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Post by inigyou »

sgt wrote: post #153

Funny, I was just thinking this morning that Google searches are absolutely horrible these days. It's like it has amnesia, a lot of recent history seems to be just gone. Especially on non US specific sites too.

Try Marginalia. It's a breath of fresh air. It probably won't find what you're looking for because whatever you're looking for probably doesn't exist in the small web.

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Post by inigyou »

sph wrote: post #272
shoobiedoo wrote: post #189

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On a whim I watched my favorite childhood movie last week, Hackers. It's goofy in some ways, but man it captures the "wild west" feeling of early and mid 90's internet. It was just you, a slow connection to anywhere, and open ports all over the place. Right after I watched it, I dusted off an old hub, connected a few external usb-to-ethernet adapters to my work PC VM's, and now run them through an OpenBSD packet filt…

May I suggest you to look into mesh networks? I am a huge fan of Reticulum. Using it feels like being a pioneer, the scene is very welcoming. The pitch: it is network-agnostic. The same mesh network runs on the Internet or through LoRa radios or any other physical layer than allows the exchange of data packets. It scales from private networks to global meshes. It's the wild west. People are excited, and eager to grow…

That's funny because the internet is also network-agnostic. It's xkcd927.

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Post by aaronblohowiak »

post-it wrote: post #347
inigyou wrote: post #343

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what value do we get from AI?

It's really good at writing code.

It’s good at all kinds of stuff that is search adjacent, “find amesent parks with water feature within 100 miles of me that have rv parking nearby”, etc

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Post by eloisius »

bko wrote: post #289
hliyan wrote: post #213

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Recently, I had some ideas I would normally just put up on a blog, in the public domain for anyone to develop on top of. Now, I'm feeling slightly reluctant because an LLM will ingest it, remix it and serve it in response to a query by some unimaginative individual who will either conclude that they are smart, or that LLMs are capable of original thought, or both. And they will have no clue where the idea originated…

Sounds like you don't really care about your ideas propogating. Of course someone will internalize and remix your idea. That's how all ideas work. Isn't that the point? What do you think happens when a human reads it? Think he'll quote chapter and verse and attribute it to you? Years later you'll notice your blog in appendices and acknowledgments? And now you have a chance to have your idea forever internalized in so…

> What do you think happens when a human reads it?

If we’re going to use human analogies let’s start with human rights for LLMs.

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