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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by stronglikedan »

inigyou wrote: post #270
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223

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Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

Fingerprint and PIN unlock, but only PIN unlocks it and fingerprint is always duress? That's a good idea.

At that point, just don't have biometrics configured at all. It would be waaay to easy to accidentally wipe your phone. Just have an unlock PIN and a duress PIN. You're going to be charged with destroying evidence either way if you use the duress method, so you may as well use the method that won't accidentally wipe your phone with a single misplaced finger.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by calvinmorrison »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #194

> Until recently, only spies and criminals had to worry this obsessively about their private statements being picked up by electronic equipment. > But soon, the average person might need to deploy surveillance countermeasures. Already there. If you want privacy and anonymity online, you're looking at literal terrorist cell tier tradecraft. That means pulling up documents written by people from the "counterterrorism c…

or just get on the alternet. If you and your peers care about communicating and you dont feel like doing state witch craft, the easiest thing is to just setup your own opt in systems and not use facebook, etc. run your own IRC server, file share, whatever. self host. it's easier than ever. Don't use discord, run your own communities, etc.

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Post by reedf1 »

bloak wrote: post #291
reedf1 wrote: post #282

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This would still be destruction of evidence - virtually your only defense against that would be if it was not triggered by you .

Since you seem to know about this, what are the actual rules about "destruction of evidence" in your jurisdiction? What does the accused need to have known for a crime to have been committed? (Common sense tells me that the accusation might make sense both in cases in which the accused knows about a crime and in cases in which the accused knows about a police investigation, even in the absence of a crime, but deletin…

Generally any material you intentionally delete after you are told to hand over evidence is considered to be the most incriminating version of that material in a court of law.

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Post by elil17 »

inigyou wrote: post #198
a3w wrote: post #134

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I do believe people still vote for dictatorship if they think it will fuck over others much harder, then themselves, and "they deserve it".

The Germans voted for Hitler because the economy was shit and Hitler was the only one daring to say he'd fix it.

He didn't win just because he said he'd fix the economy. Antisemitism and nationalism were part of his political platform from the beginning.

I think it's very important that people continue to recon with the fact that millions of Germans voted for Hilter and supported his rise to power despite because he wanted to enact antisemitic policies.

He also did a coup, so there's that.

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Post by DennisP »

brookst wrote: post #323
inigyou wrote: post #271

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That happened because he chose to give the duress PIN. Cops are allowed to just grab your finger and scan it against your protest. You can say "don't do that, it'll wipe my phone" and they'll do it anyway and it'll wipe your phone, and now it certainly isn't your fault.

“One simple trick” stuff rarely survives contact with the court system. Tech people like to imagine law is code, but it’s not. Nor should it be.

One simple trick that's proven to work is to just leave biometrics disabled and refrain from giving your password.

There are all sorts of situations where people go free despite the wistful desires of prosecutors, due to the details of what happened and what the law actually says.

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Post by [deleted] »

inigyou wrote: post #332
brookst wrote: post #323

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“One simple trick” stuff rarely survives contact with the court system. Tech people like to imagine law is code, but it’s not. Nor should it be.

This may be true for hackers but courts have to prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to the letter of the law. The law here is destruction of evidence. The guy destroyed evidence by giving the wrong password to the police. If the police had destroyed it of their own accord, he'd be free. If the duress PIN was 1234 and the police just tried it, he'd be free.

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Post by ern_ave »

graceful6800 wrote: post #346
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

Using a duress PIN or other duress feature is now considered destroying evidence so YMMV

Write your duress PIN on the back of the phone. I guarantee you the first cop that sees it will go, "LOLOL!!!! HIS PASSWORD IS RIGHT THERE!!! LOLOL" and immediately enter it.

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Post by NewJazz »

dwedge wrote: post #335
inigyou wrote: post #199

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Using GrapheneOS makes you a terrorist now. I'm a terrorist.

I used GrapheneOS without a sim card for 4 months and the battery life was great. I put a sim card in, and since then (2 months) the battery dies twice as fast no matter which profile it's in, and dies faster even on airplane mode. I left it at 80% the other day and went out, came back 6 hours later and it was dead and red hot. Maybe it's just a dodgy phone, maybe it's not doing something on the less-trackable sim co…

What model do you have?

The pixel 6a does terribly when it is in 5g mode, something abput the hardware is broken or bugged. My friend who has a 6a has to keep it in 4g only mode or sacrifice battrry life.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

Bender wrote: post #33
tdeck wrote: post #23

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It's hard for me to take this perspective seriously when you describe a cellphone as "entirely optional". Our society is structured around the assumption that you'll have not just a cellphone, but a smartphone. Without acknowledging that, how can we have a realistic discussion? Many businesses require you to use a smartphone in some way. Some government services also require one. Before cellphones, there were payphon…

The only reason I take my cell phone with me is in the event my truck breaks down. I have lost count of how many times I forgot it at home. I've had business tell me to install some app but I just tell them no or make them do the work for me. If they want money they will fill in the information. Over the years I have been parting ways from businesses that I can not walk in and talk face-to-face with someone and for g…

A few years ago I bought a couch at Ikea, I wanted to get it delivered. They held out a QR code to a task rabbit link, after fighting with the code and bad reception and not wanting to make an account, they gave me the backup delivery method which was a day later but a whole lot cheaper and likely an actually insured delivery company.

The look of confusion on people's face when I don't want to scan a random code or install an app. It's my phone damnit, my phone shouldn't need software so you can sell me things.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

XorNot wrote: post #103
Razengan wrote: post #3

The EFF or some other watchdog should put out some public ads that depict corporations as a creepy person stalking someone: It's a lot more disgusting and universally hated when you hear about a peeping tom, or a pervert, or a jealous ex hounding someone, but when faceless corporations and governments do it to EVERYBODY 24/7, everyone's like, ehh. I mean, right now, just think about me, clicking on your HN profile, g…

You've tripped right over the difference though. Corporations aren't people. They do not and cannot present a personal threat to you. Even your trailing example falls flat on this: for the activity to be distressing you had to recontextualize it back to the individual level.

A corporation can file a frivolous lawsuit that can bankrupt me before it could even get thrown out as frivolous.
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