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Post by vrganj »

ipaddr wrote: post #348
vrganj wrote: post #339

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No man, the whites are not natives, definitionally . They were invaders and even in your twisted nativist ideology never had a claim to Canada. At least be consistent.

Whites are native in Europe not Canada. You may not know this but the natives in North America killed the natives who lived their before white people moved in.

Then why are you worried about the percentage of whites in Canada? Its not like they're native there, who gives a shit if their population is falling?

And no, "Whites" are not native in Europe.

The whole concept of Whiteness was invented by Americans trying to justify slavery.

Here in Europe, we're not "white". We're German or Polish or whatever.

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Post by ponector »

dathinab wrote: post #345
ponector wrote: post #328

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>> nukes are not an argument for anything but main land defense from invasions But it is not an argument even for that. Imagine Russian tanks are crossing the border towards your capital. Will your government use nukes is such case?

yes, quite likely and if we look on some of the more extreme cases: France Nuclear doctrine is not "we could decide to use nukes if our country is invaded" but roughly more like "we use them by default in such a case and you would need to overrule this to not use them" Through this is for a "full on invasion in the classical sense". This is unlikely to bee seen as triggered for e.g. colonies or some back and force on…

Doctrine means nothing. Russian doctrine says they should use nukes against Ukraine. But there is no point in uaing it, no advantage to gain.

Russians will send you back 10x warheads. Are you going to use nukes knowing that?

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Post by daishi55 »

gruez wrote: post #179
daishi55 wrote: post #126

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lol… you don’t know anything about the Chinese government if you think they aren’t already preparing for this. And the difference between them and us is that when they prepare for something, they actually prepare for it with real state capacity and planning. You know they are building armies of industrial and humanoid robots for exactly this reason? Also, sorry but the economist hates China with a passion, you really…

>Also, sorry but the economist hates China with a passion, you really shouldn’t believe a thing they say on the topic. Note I'm just linking charts and figures, not their editorials. It's ironic that you accuse "economist hates China with a passion", but the best refutation you can come up with is some handwaving about future robot armies. How do we know you're not just hating US (or loving China) with a passion?

> I'm just linking charts and figures

It’s adorable that you think charts and figures can’t be biased or malicious.

> handwaving about future robot armies

Yeah and you would’ve said the same thing about China’s EVs, solar panels, or any number of other areas in which the Chinese state demonstrated both accurate foresight and ability to execute on long-term strategic economic/technological plans. And you would’ve been wrong. As you are now.

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Post by ipaddr »

surgical_fire wrote: post #346
ipaddr wrote: post #335

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Debating is impossible when you don't have facts supporting you. Mockery is next followed by acceptance. Wish you well on your journey towards knowledge.

Let's settle it like this then. I hope you get what you want. Keep all the whites in your territory, and you get to have your land for your race, whatever you think it may be. On this side of the pond, we can be welcoming all those pesky Indians, Asians, Muslim, Latin Americans, African, Slavic and so on. The more highly educated they are, the better. I wish you luck in your inbreeding.

I live in Europe.

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Post by ipaddr »

vrganj wrote: post #350
ipaddr wrote: post #349

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The only one that sounds racist is you, espousing Great Replacement conspiracy theories. But you know that and now that you've fully run out of talking points, there's nothing left but projection. This has become thoroughly unproductive, you have demonstrated for everyone to see you're not interested in actually learning, just in spreading hate. Theres no point engaging anymore, I believe your own comments have suffi…

What you said was very racist. I've been saying people are basically the same and you've tried to create tribal divisions and pretend to speak for a half a billion people. I think people have more in common and you see difference.

In all of your message you assume a Polish person or Englishman or Croats are white. Many people of different color skin have citizenship in Poland or Serbia and that makes them Polish. Your type of tribalism is dangerous and offensive to others.

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Post by surgical_fire »

ipaddr wrote: post #354
surgical_fire wrote: post #346

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Let's settle it like this then. I hope you get what you want. Keep all the whites in your territory, and you get to have your land for your race, whatever you think it may be. On this side of the pond, we can be welcoming all those pesky Indians, Asians, Muslim, Latin Americans, African, Slavic and so on. The more highly educated they are, the better. I wish you luck in your inbreeding.

I live in Europe.

I expect nothing from you and still I am disappointed.

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Post by disposition2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #108
disposition2 wrote: post #105

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Pretty sure it’s “is”, they were operating gas turbines for power and continue to do so

So where is the police? They're running turbines they haven't been granted permits to run, if Average Joe did so the police would show up and literally grab the hardware from him, one way or another, or disable it at least. What the fuck are they waiting for?

Who knows.?

You’re not wrong that an average person would be in trouble with the law if they took even remotely the same action.

One could also ask where’s the EPA, since they openly acknowledged laws were being broken back in January. [1]

But xAI has added more turbines since it started years ago, and the water recycling plant is paused [2].

As for doing something about all of this, I suspect it’s even less likely now that Anthropic is using it for compute [3].

1. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/pollution-musks-unper...

2. https://wreg.com/news/local/xai-memphis/xai-puts-water-recyc...

3. https://x.ai/news/anthropic-compute-partnership

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Post by disposition2 »

parineum wrote: post #165
embedding-shape wrote: post #138

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> Where are you getting the information that it's unauthorized (or needs to be authorized)? https://www.selc.org/press-release/naacp-asks-court-for-emer... and the previous link I referenced. One would think if there is even a suspicion (even if it hasn't been ruled in court yet) about large-scale harmful toxic emissions, the police and relevant authorities would at least quickly do some samples or what not, to figur…

The NAACP claims don't amount to facts.

> The NAACP claims don't amount to facts.

If that were true, I doubt the DOJ would step in and attempt to squash the lawsuit

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-administratio...

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Post by ipaddr »

surgical_fire wrote: post #356
ipaddr wrote: post #354

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I live in Europe.

I expect nothing from you and still I am disappointed.

Not sure why you were trying for a few days to be part of the conversation and being ignored by everyone and when you finally get a reply is all you have to offer.

I'm glad you are disappointed maybe you can set different goals in your life and find some level of happyness.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

defrost wrote: post #106
fps-hero wrote: post #89

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Look to Australia if you want to see how these energy policies work out in the long run. Energy is big money. Anything that disrupts the status quo is immediately vilified. It got to the point that our major party at the time lead a “gas fired” green energy policy. They got voted out, the new guys implemented a subsidised home battery policy. In the space of a year it has destroyed the economics of a carbon fuelled g…

> Except big gas, who cannot turn a profit on a renewable success story. If only. Chevron’s Gorgon project will be ongoing for decades and making money hand over fist flogging LNG out of Australia to overseas customers. It'll be a massive source of previously sequestered CO2 and claimed to be "the largest CO2 sequestration project on the planet* .. with the minor catch of (re-) stashing away a very very tiny portion…

    > with the minor catch of (re-) stashing away a very very tiny portion of the CO2 released
First, I want to clarify that when raw natural gas is extracted from underground wells, some portion of the gas is carbon dioxide. In this project, it is about 15%. The project's sequestration goal was to capture this CO2. So far, they are only able to capture about 1/3 of this CO2 for various technical reasons. I would not characterize 1/3 as a "very very tiny portion". Do I misunderstand your comment?

You can read more details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_gas_project#Carbon_Diox...

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