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> This is a prime example of why programmers are not seriously considered engineers. Seems to me like your comment is simply an example of prejudice. You're just describing another standardized incentive structure that you're operating in, and using that as a basis to extrapolate that programmers of all kinds—whether they work on a video platform or on machinery that could cause catastrophe if it fails—are implicitly…

Other fields of engineering usually have a regulated licensure, upon which they can call themselves a Professional Engineer. This gives them the ability to make final approval/sign-off on designs and technical reports. It's most common in civil engineering, where a PE license is required for all publicly funded projects (and most privately funded ones as well, due to local/regional/national regulations) to be approve…

The incentive structure you're describing is also a major contributor to cost disease.

Every decision to increase the cost of a product is taking that money out of the customer's pocket which they then can't use to buy more nutritious food or medicine or make rent and avoid becoming homeless. Every additional tax dollar spent on inflating the cost of an infrastructure project is one that can't be spent on cancer research or Pell grants or catching pedos. Moreover, that type of "tax" is highly regressive because when you make e.g. housing cost more, only the poor become unable to afford it.

Meanwhile the system you're referring to gives the engineers the incentive to be excessively risk-averse. Give someone the authority to command that resources be allocated to something and liability for not allocating them but no liability for what happens to the people the resources were allocated from and the result is not an optimal system.

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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> This is a prime example of why programmers are not seriously considered engineers. Seems to me like your comment is simply an example of prejudice. You're just describing another standardized incentive structure that you're operating in, and using that as a basis to extrapolate that programmers of all kinds—whether they work on a video platform or on machinery that could cause catastrophe if it fails—are implicitly…

Other fields of engineering usually have a regulated licensure, upon which they can call themselves a Professional Engineer. This gives them the ability to make final approval/sign-off on designs and technical reports. It's most common in civil engineering, where a PE license is required for all publicly funded projects (and most privately funded ones as well, due to local/regional/national regulations) to be approve…

The problem with software is that software doesn't care about where it's built. Jurisdictions need to balance safety and quality regulation with the fact that you can just make the software somewhere where the regulations aren't so onerous, and most software is made very far from the place where it is used.

If you're making a bridge usable by residents of Springfield, that bridge has to be in Springfield, and it has to be made by Springfield engineers following Springfield laws.

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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bit meta but can I just applaud the article? Descriptive title, immediately comes to the point, no elaborate fluff, factual... what a nice change of pace. 95% of other users finding this would have done much worse. This is not clickbait, not calling for a social media campaign, has no embedded tweets of interaction with Google engineers trying to shame them, no singling out of individuals, ... Not sure if a user post…

With JavaScript disabled I had to inspect page source and remove "hidden" attributes from divs for content to show up. There's no placeholder text, no attempt to justify the need for JS at all, no consideration of the possibility that someone might be using a JS whitelisting tool (such as NoScript) on the modern Web despite its clear utility. For a blog post. Aside from that: > Descriptive title, immediately comes to…

Just the other day I wrote a blog post about how one can easily provide a fallback for not executing JS [1]. If only web developers cared about the web, instead of developing fancy bling bling, then maybe the web wouldn't be in such a sad state.

[1]: https://web.xiaolong-hosting.com/blog/post/truly-accessible-...

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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> Honestly it’s hard to refute the fact that we need roads and houses more than we need cat videos. If the software made by my company ceased to exist, every government in the US, federal, state, and municipal, every construction company, plus most governments worldwide would be unable to build roads or houses until they were able to cobble together a replacement. The entire world runs on software. Software controls…

Internet is now critical infrastructure, whether we like it or not.

We've quietly gone from it being a research project, to a cool toy, to something most people had but that definitely wasn't essential, to a world where it is just as crucial as lightning or electricity.

I bet many farming and food distribution operations just wouldn't be able to function without a connection to AWS.

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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> Honestly it’s hard to refute the fact that we need roads and houses more than we need cat videos. If the software made by my company ceased to exist, every government in the US, federal, state, and municipal, every construction company, plus most governments worldwide would be unable to build roads or houses until they were able to cobble together a replacement. The entire world runs on software. Software controls…

Your company's software enhances the process somehow, making it easier or faster or cheaper. Your company's software did not unlock the technology of road building. There were roads built before your company's software and I'm sure if your company disappeared that ultimately roads would get built with or without their software. It would be interesting to look at all the technological advances of the last 60 years and…

It's less about whether we could live without it, more about whether we could live without it now.

We objectively don't need credit cards. We could do with cash just fine. If we were told that Visa / Mastercard were shutting down in 5 years, we'd manage to muddle through. If they suddenly vanished off the face of the Earth? People would definitely die due to starvation.

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I recently left Google having worked on a number of projects with various YouTube teams. I think I can explain why it's being handled this way by YouTube. This is a fairly nuanced/involved issue, so the task of classifying the bug likely made it's way to one of the engineers responsible for the implementation of this feature. That engineer has already launched this project, and filed it away under their GRAD (perform…

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That's why trains work, but Google's shitty YouTube often does not: Terrible, terrible video player, tons of crap on the page, broken buffering all the time, huge memory and CPU hog, need to log in to even watch a video if using a VPN, insane key bindings that are switched around depending on full screen mode or not, stupid and manipulative ads that only the uninformed or simple minded can tolerate, and the list goes on. Found a bug? Keep it! You won't reach another human at Google being to tell them about it anyway!

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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> This is a prime example of why programmers are not seriously considered engineers. Seems to me like your comment is simply an example of prejudice. You're just describing another standardized incentive structure that you're operating in, and using that as a basis to extrapolate that programmers of all kinds—whether they work on a video platform or on machinery that could cause catastrophe if it fails—are implicitly…

By now there seem to be unfortunately more careless careerist programmers on the job, than dedicated engineers. In a proper CS degree we do learn about engineering methods. It is up to us to also make use of them. Someone who graduated from a bootcamp likely will not have the tools to actually engineer this stuff, unless they got some prior experience in engineering.

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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> This is a prime example of why programmers are not seriously considered engineers. The problem isn't the programmers ffs. In your industry, if your superior orders you (or creates the incentive) to hide bad stuff under the rug, you have the ability to push back, at least to some degree. Programmers? We don't have that. Maybe the few of us who actually work on security critical stuff, but some generic AI BS? No chan…

All sorts of employees are treated as disposable. The issue is absolutely that software engineers have no culture of responsibility or safety and no professional licensing group to enforce it for them.

The professional licensing group is what creates the culture of responsibility. Most developers would be happy to have that as it would limit supply and increase wages considerably.

Re: Leaking YouTube creators' private videos

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Well you're not wrong, saying this as a programmer. Incompetence is unfortunately the norm in our industry.

It’s pretty much the norm in all industries.

Less so in those that actually have any barrier for entry, you do need an actual degree to be an engineer, an MD to be a doctor, a forklift cert to operate them in a warehouse, while anyone without any certification can write software.
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