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Post by bflesch »

onemoresoop wrote: post #302
redsocksfan45 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are virtually no combinations of food which are toxic, you can mix any food with any food and, while it might not be good, it will still be food. (The only exception I know of is alcohol and mushrooms containing coprine, e.g. inky caps) Point is, unless you're stupid enough to add glue or broken glass to your meal just because a recipe told you to, it's perfectly safe. More than just safe, LLM recipes these day…

What really sucks is that Google pushed actual content creators out of the way in the first place. That is horrible. I think they should be challenged on this. Food bloggers, recipe writers, and creators have helped shape a huge amount of food culture, and they deserve to be protected rather than erased. If this kind of theft continues from the AI industry Im not sure what type of culture is is going to be left or wh…

Their assumption is that all relevant culture has already been invented and capturing the status quo is enough to get 80% of the benefits.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

freediver wrote: post #344
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #247

Neither Google nor Kagi has an .onion address. Unlike DDG

Not sure what you use for search, but it could be better ;) http://kagi2pv5bdcxxqla5itjzje2cgdccuwept5ub6patvmvn3qgmgjd6... (from https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/accessing-via-tor... )

Thank you. I confess I only looked for it in the HTTP headers, no search

For example, DDG puts it in the content-security-policy header

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Post by ghastmaster »

data-ottawa wrote: post #139
al_borland wrote: post #5

My friends who previously had no interest in technology and never talked about it, are suddenly following tech news closely all because they hate AI being pushed so hard. One was just messaging me this morning about alternatives to Google search and maps. He ended up downloading DuckDuckGo. If Google isn’t carefully they’re going to push people away from their golden goose.

The AI product rollouts in the last two years have been some of the most aggressive and user hostile product rollouts in my entire life. All conventions and user centricity go out the window with AI feature launches lately. If you look at examples from the last week it’s stuff like posthogs opt-out training, Copilot training, or Google’s antigravity chat-app switch. I’ve had the worst customer experiences of my life…

>The AI product rollouts in the last two years have been some of the most aggressive and user hostile product rollouts in my entire life.

>I’ve had the worst customer experiences of my life in the last few months.

I attribute that to the massive amount of tax breaks and money that has been funneled to them by various governments. The government is the customer that they are appeasing right now. As soon as the spigot is turned off, they will be more inclined to appease us.

I do not know the consumer or b2b AI market well right now. I do know that billions of dollars are at stake from government sources. A smart company would focus on that.

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Post by WarmWash »

watwut wrote: post #262
WarmWash wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, if you have been on HN since 2009, you are likely on the far fringe of Google's user demographics, which at this point is pretty much "The average human being on Earth". I would bet all of my money that you never once did a Google search (pre-LLM mania, but maybe even after) that looked like "What kind of clothing is best for when you are going hiking around the lake, so my feet don't get so cold?" Sadly, this…

I find that weird assumption. Why would you expect HN people not do such searches? They worked for years. And you frequently ended up finding a discussion forum with around that question and relevant discussion under it.

Because OG tech nerds would google like

Forum hiking warm socks backpacking trail running

Which was basically a structured programmatic query that activated the old google algo just right.

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Post by chorizo »

hansvm wrote: post #333
al_borland wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After-the-fact opt-outs are something I never trust. Most data selling is opt-in and requires the user to opt-out. It seems to me that when I submit the form, the data would be instantly sold and by the time I get to the opt-out form it’s too late. If this isn’t how it works, I’d be interested to know. The whole idea of these opt-outs seem like smoke and mirrors to act good while still gaining the advantage from the…

That's how it worked the last time I bought a car. I submitted the opt-outs with the purchase paperwork, the ~sales~ data sharing agreements with 10k of the dealership's closest, paid friends were processed first, and I had no end of bullshit from a hundred companies I'd never interacted with previously.

That sounds lawsuit worthy. If you submitted both sets of paperwork at the same time, a reasonable expectation would be for your opt-opt application to be processed first, otherwise it’s pointless.

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Post by badc0ffee »

redsocksfan45 wrote: post #253
rolph wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

recall the pizza sauce glue trick, to stop cheese from sliding off. there are other such goodies like mashed potatoes with broken lightbulb gravy, or fiberglass omelette, enjoyed by beldar conehead. i wouldnt trust an AI for any recipe that i dont have personal experience with. the safety rails are not very strong yet.

There are virtually no combinations of food which are toxic, you can mix any food with any food and, while it might not be good, it will still be food. (The only exception I know of is alcohol and mushrooms containing coprine, e.g. inky caps) Point is, unless you're stupid enough to add glue or broken glass to your meal just because a recipe told you to, it's perfectly safe. More than just safe, LLM recipes these day…

Evidently you're not familiar with Swedish Lemon Angels.

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Post by dogwalker5000 »

al_borland wrote: post #5

My friends who previously had no interest in technology and never talked about it, are suddenly following tech news closely all because they hate AI being pushed so hard. One was just messaging me this morning about alternatives to Google search and maps. He ended up downloading DuckDuckGo. If Google isn’t carefully they’re going to push people away from their golden goose.

> If Google isn’t carefully they’re going to push people away from their golden goose.

Won’t be surprised if Google thinks their Golden Goose is terminally ill and AI is the replacement.

Google is really an information provider powered by ads. That’s what people use their search for - to get information.

Google’s search basically has the internet as its backend - information-wise. I think it’s inevitable that AI slop (output from low quality GenAI) will render it useless eventually.

So Google’s solution is to build their own AI with information curated by them to try to stay the front page of the internet.

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Post by dartharva »

runjake wrote: post #101
SubiculumCode wrote: post #95

I dislike the AI summaries always popping up. I do now see an AI mode button. But so far I am not forced into AI mode. Is this happening for other people?

Append "udm=14" to your Google searches to make this stuff go away (for now, until Google removes it). You can add a custom search engine to your browser with something like: https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Sometimes that will glitch out on Chromium browsers. If so, try this variant: {google:baseURL}search?q=%s&udm=14

This↑ - I had also jumped ship to DDG until I realized this query string still works on Google.

Re: DuckDuckGo search saw 28% more visits after Google said people love AI mode

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Post by benced »

hansmayer wrote: post #69
benced wrote: post #65

... DDG had .7% marketshare ( https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share ). 28% more visits would take it to .84%. Assuming those all come from Google, that would mean .16% of Google users didn't love AI mode enough to switch. Classic example of misleading with stats.

Well... it is still a huge relative increase. And who knows where it could lead them, if they can sustain that sort of growth on a weekly basis...compounding and all...

The headline is implying that AI mode is super unpopular with the very large number "28" and not the more accurate number of .16.
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