I don't use Spotify. Will people that do and are fans of the same bands have priority over me?
Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans
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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans
#352For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.
Spotify is another entity dipping into the limited pool of available tickets and further limiting supply. I don't pay for/use Spotify and don't want to, so as far as I'm concerned this is only worsening the problem by further constraining the supply of tickets available to me.
They might limit supply early on but they also increase supply when they later sell the tickets, so the net effect on supply is zero (unless they leave many tickets unsold, which would be stupid of them).
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like they found the price ceiling. Trying to pick your customers is a fools errand, particularly with a music festival where tastes change and people age out.
The point is that it's not simply “a supply and demand problem” when you factor in downstream effects. The product is not merely the performance; the audience makeup and energy is a crucial part of the experience, and they also influence the artist's ability to deliver the best performance. It's no good optimizing for simple supply and demand in one year if it destroys the product and therefore demand in subsequent y…
I mean sure, you don;t want to drive away your audience, but the existence of a second hand market with much high prices clearly means you aren't pricing tickets correctly. The existence of the scalper with the 10 or 100x price is the second-order effect of under pricing, and everything Ive read already suggests that audience makeups are changing at music festivals as more tickets are bought second hand at these considerable markups.
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Scalpers will just do two transactions, one high one for the privilege of being able to buy the ticket, and then the sale at the listed limit. I don’t understand this. If you can’t resell for higher than ticket price, how do they make any profit? Are you saying they’d sell the cheaper ticket for the more expensive ticket’s price? Wouldn’t price stick to the ticket, since presumably different price tiers afford diff…
First transaction would be outside the channel. e.g., scalper may require high-value Venmo or Zelle transaction, then enter buyer ID / name on ticket website at listed limit.
But buying from scalpers only really works when they’ve already bought out the supply. Couldn’t people just go right to the ticket site instead of through a scalper? The only way this would work is if the scalpers got all the tickets into the temporary hold, but that would be a huge coordination problem to do that and connect with potential buyers in the 7 minute window or whatever.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Allow to resell your ticket at face value to a specific person, for the case where the friend who bought the tickets six months ago is suddenly sick. This allows scalping. And then, since scalping is not prevented, all that these measures really accomplish is to theatrically increase the burden for everyone else.
It does not, because you can only resell at face value. There's no profit incentive.
This utopia wherein everyone is completely law-abiding and eager to follow every rule does not exist.
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Non-transferable tickets suck for their own reasons. Someone in a group gets sick or otherwise can't make it? Their seat is now either empty, or their ticket goes back to the pool. They can't give that ticket to someone else. That's a big deal for a whole slew of reasons. Let's pick just one reason and run with it. Five 11-year-old-ish girls want to go see Olivia Rodrigo. These kids haven't ever even been inside an a…
This is a pretty niche problem compared to the every-ticket-of-every-big-show scalper problem. This affects Also, solvable. Everyone needs an ID that matches ticket or to be accompanied by someone with an ID that matches a ticket purchased in the same transaction (cap number of non-ID tickets per ID ticket, don't let people appearing over 30 in on a non-ID ticket). Then, when buying tickets, allow specifying a named…
That's one problem.
I can think of many other instances of other problems.
If you cannot do so, then you aren't really following along very well.
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still have the issue of transferring tickets to friends or such if you can't make it. Axios and some providers handle this.
If you "can't make it", you just have to eat the loss. True fans will make it.
I've missed concerts due to delayed/cancelled plane flights or other booked transportation.
Darn, guess I'm not a true fan or I would've booked a private jet.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds like what fan clubs and artists run communities are built for. Does Spotify putting itself as a middle-man help much, considering the artist has become a big enough operation to have to care about the issue in the first place ?
In an ideal world, the artist's own mailing list or fan community would be the canonical place for this, because it's closer to a direct relationship
This already happens. Most artists I listen to have a mailing list presale, then a spotify / promoter / venue presale, and finally the open sale in that order.
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you "can't make it", you just have to eat the loss. True fans will make it.
I've missed concerts due to delayed/cancelled plane flights or other booked transportation. Darn, guess I'm not a true fan or I would've booked a private jet.
It's not your fault. But it's not their fault either. It's the same for events as for most other reservations: You don't get your money back if you miss it.
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does not, because you can only resell at face value. There's no profit incentive.
This utopia wherein everyone is completely law-abiding and eager to follow every rule does not exist.
What utopia? Each person can buy a maximum of 4 tickets. A ticket has a name on it. You can't use it if it's not yours. To change the name on the ticket, you need to go through the official platform, where you can only resell it for at most face value.
It's not exactly a project Manhattan level of breakthrough we're talking about here. The incentives to scalp are vastly reduced. Sure, I could buy four tickets and resell three of them, but I would still need to physically go to the venue to walk people in. It just doesn't scale.