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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by EvanAnderson »

martin-t wrote: post #328
EvanAnderson wrote: post #308

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I think increasing the size of the House would make representatives more responsive to their constituents. I also don't think it'll ever happen for exactly that reason.

As an European, the biggest issue with US politics I see is that you only have 2 parties. It makes no sense. As a voter, you can only express a binary choice and whatever you choose for the issue you care about most effectively decides what you vote for regarding all other issues. I'd like to see more separation. If we are to keep indirect democracy, at least have separate representation for criminal law, economic de…

I'd love to get rid of FPTP and the two party system. I feel like small enclaves of alternative voting systems are happening but I feel pretty hopeless about it being wider spread. In general I feel pretty hopeless about all of it after Citizens United. My interests aren't aligned with big money, therefore I have no speech.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by peab »

tfourb wrote: post #157
peab wrote: post #99

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Poverty is not the root cause of crime

Obviously there is no single cause for any social dynamic (hence my "i.e.") but there is wide scientific consensus that poverty (especially when combined with inequality) contributes greatly to crime, bot directly (people steal if it is the only way to get something to eat) and indirectly (poor people are much more likely to live in the social conditions that correlate with incidence of crime).

I believe "i.g" would be more appropriate then, since "i.e" means "that is", while "e.g" means "for example"

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by tfourb »

peab wrote: post #353
tfourb wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously there is no single cause for any social dynamic (hence my "i.e.") but there is wide scientific consensus that poverty (especially when combined with inequality) contributes greatly to crime, bot directly (people steal if it is the only way to get something to eat) and indirectly (poor people are much more likely to live in the social conditions that correlate with incidence of crime).

I believe "i.g" would be more appropriate then, since "i.e" means "that is", while "e.g" means "for example"

thanks!

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by pc86 »

Barbing wrote: post #309
pc86 wrote: post #299

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> I wonder how many Flock decision makers will take personal offense to their little installations being damaged I'd bet any amount of money it will be approximately 0.

Easy for people to feel disrespected when damaging property associated with them, no?

You think the secretary at one of the Flock offices feels personal disrespect hearing about a camera 2,000 miles away getting spray painted? Someone writing code for the web app? The guy wiring up the solar panel?

No, I think for 95% of the people who work at Flock it's just a job and they could care less about the "safety" of their cameras, and I'm willing to bet the rest are so well compensated they don't really care. Or they're complete psychopaths incapable of feeling emotion at all, like the CEO who called deflock a "terrorist organization."

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by Barbing »

pc86 wrote: post #355
Barbing wrote: post #309

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Easy for people to feel disrespected when damaging property associated with them, no?

You think the secretary at one of the Flock offices feels personal disrespect hearing about a camera 2,000 miles away getting spray painted? Someone writing code for the web app? The guy wiring up the solar panel? No, I think for 95% of the people who work at Flock it's just a job and they could care less about the "safety" of their cameras, and I'm willing to bet the rest are so well compensated they don't really ca…

Oops! The Flock decision makers were supposed to be those who make decisions on installations in the communities they were elected to serve.

Thanks for your reply, sorry about that. Restated-

Community decisionmakers on local Flock installs will get their knickers bunched by vandalism, not unlike how they close bathrooms after repeated spraypaintings (or worse, ew!).

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RE: Deflock - wow! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-kZGrDz7PU) Starts by shouting out ACLU & EFF, maybe that Deflock Discord had some naughty people on it. “Terroristic” gooooodness

LOL the reporter with the perfect reply

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by stickfigure »

hackable_sand wrote: post #339
stickfigure wrote: post #312

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Over generations that will probably help, sure. In the mean time...

We've got nothing but time. What's the rush?

Dunno about you, but I would prefer to live out the rest of my life without a gun pointed at my face. Again.

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Post by smsm42 »

appplication wrote: post #341
smsm42 wrote: post #315

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> I feel that part of the insight is that many people reading this story may want it to be true as stated. People that are writing this story surely would. They, of course, wouldn't do it themselves - I mean, you could be arrested and lose your job and go to jail... but if somebody else would bear those consequences, then of course it's fine! > Which is another way to state "it has a chilling effect" Yes, that's kind…

Not all criminal activity is bad. See: John Lewis and “good trouble”

Activities such as public disobedience to fight unjust laws are unlikely to be affected by surveillance because their whole point is to publicly violate unjust law to attract attention to its unjustness. MLK did not march in secret and avoid surveillance, he marched in public and welcomed attention. That was the whole point of it.

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Post by godelski »

smsm42 wrote: post #358
appplication wrote: post #341

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Not all criminal activity is bad. See: John Lewis and “good trouble”

Activities such as public disobedience to fight unjust laws are unlikely to be affected by surveillance because their whole point is to publicly violate unjust law to attract attention to its unjustness. MLK did not march in secret and avoid surveillance, he marched in public and welcomed attention. That was the whole point of it.

But there's different dangers and responsibilities by those leading and those joining.

The surveillance affects those in the march. Those who might lose their jobs or get arrested. Which did happen at that time. Surveillance increases that scale.

A weird thing is that as groups scale they become anonymous. Small groups have no anonymity, but big groups do. There's safety in numbers. This is why people protest differently now. Why they wear masks. Why people leave their phones at home. The way you protest evolves, but we should ensure that protesting is easy and safe

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Post by ohyoutravel »

timcobb wrote: post #114
ohyoutravel wrote: post #108

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The article was written with a premise into a prompt for Claude, which then wrote the whole thing.

What do you think about the contents?

I value my time. I will not be reading any statistically composed slop that a human couldn’t even be bothered to spend time writing.
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