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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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It's not just me; most people won't. That's the issue.

Even if your time is worth $0, you're paying far more than a few dollars a month to have a google account. Price discrimination from third party vendors is probably running you 5-10% of your credit card bill every month.

That's opaque to most users.

If it weren't, then Google's business model would not be viable.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Everyone hates on Microsoft, but their platform is 50x better than Google. Personally nowadays I would be looking at Proton if I was going to setup a workspace for my company.

Outlook is better than Gmail? This is a hotter-than-the-Sun take. Have you actually tried both?

Used them both for years.

Outlook eats Gmail for breakfast. The way shared accounts, lists, and work assignments are done in Outlook require their backend (share point inheritance), and google drive is pretty good even for some small files, but when all is considered O365 wins.

Then if you are in Europe, you should not use any of those and other very good solutions are currently growing super fast.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Someone didn’t read all of the words ^_^ Infrastructure costs were marginal, near 0, because SMS was just 140 bytes of text stuffed into already-occurring network traffic between phone telco.

I did some work with Verizon and an IoT customer was asking about SMS pricing and the VZ guys laughed and said it cost less than a penny for every 1M SMS.

    the VZ guys laughed and said it cost less than a penny for every 1M SMS.
Didn't stop them from charging $0.10 per text message in the 2000s and earning a fortune.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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That our education system wasn't resilient to that well-funded propaganda machine is what reflects poorly on it. That such a machine is allowed to exist reflects poorly on our institutions more broadly. I'll never blame human greed. Systems are designed for humans, if they fail to account for human nature then they're bad systems. I'm not really interested in litigating whether humans as a species are bad.

>Systems are designed for humans They also happen to be designed by humans, and if you're just begging to have the system fix people's beliefs about corporate greed for you but don't think people themselves are at fault I have no idea why you'd think the systems would be fixed. Always these complains about corporations or systems or institutions, the responsible person is never "I". If you're unwilling to take respon…

This doesn't sound like a meaningful critique. You're basically arguing for a culture-first approach to a systemic problem, but insisting that that culture should be one of individual responsibility. I contend that it's exactly that culture that divides the oppressed and justifies exploitation. You've decided a priori that people get what they deserve. I see injustice and try to spread understanding of how our systems create that injustice in hopes that people will change these systems to rectify them.

I'm not at all opposed to the concept of personal responsibility and accountability. In one's personal life it's important to be responsible for yourself. It's also important to understand the context you exist in, and how your actions affect others. It's bad to, say, litter on the streets, and I'll reprimand someone interpersonally for doing so. But if you live in a world where a company comes by and dumps truckloads of trash into your park every week and your government lets them, no amount of personally refraining from littering or scolding your neighbors will get you a clean community. In this case those who need to be held accountable are whoever decided on the dump-trash-in-the-park policy and whoever was supposed to stop them and didn't, and the only solution is a change of policy and creation of accountable enforcement mechanisms.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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The stuff they've shut down has been nowhere near as important as Gmail.

Shutting down GReader ruined my life.

Has nobody made a better RSS reader since then? Or is the issue that GReader was so popular that shutting it down made everyone stop using RSS?

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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People complain a lot about Gmail, but honestly I kind of understand Google's plight here. They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free . If they ever shut it down the whole world would end up rioting because it's so widely used. But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams.…

They could always just pause all new registrations for non-paying users. They set themselves up for this failure by merging YouTube into everything gmail and Google.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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People complain a lot about Gmail, but honestly I kind of understand Google's plight here. They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free . If they ever shut it down the whole world would end up rioting because it's so widely used. But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams.…

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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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People complain a lot about Gmail, but honestly I kind of understand Google's plight here. They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free . If they ever shut it down the whole world would end up rioting because it's so widely used. But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams.…

What a lame first comment. They're making tons of money. Sounds hard. Let's give up all our freedom.

A lot of people here work for Google. Tough to understand something when your salary depends on it.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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That our education system wasn't resilient to that well-funded propaganda machine is what reflects poorly on it. That such a machine is allowed to exist reflects poorly on our institutions more broadly. I'll never blame human greed. Systems are designed for humans, if they fail to account for human nature then they're bad systems. I'm not really interested in litigating whether humans as a species are bad.

>Systems are designed for humans, if they fail to account for human nature then they're bad systems.

Systems will always be bad. It's why corporations will always be bad. The complexities are too much for humans. You will never account for all variables. Account for one, with that you are exposed to another. This becomes clear to me when you look at government and the systems it tries to use, since forever. Climate change is another great example. Requires coordinated change across the globe. Many many many factors why that will never change. Change in the system of that size is too hard. So is it the system that is bad, or maybe it's just a reflection of limitations within us as a species, today?

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