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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Post by aucisson_masque »

_blk wrote: post #269
aucisson_masque wrote: post #254

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> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…

I'm not the expert on the bio but the gel has the advantage of being consumable while running. Try drinking while running. Even at a slower pace it's hard not to spill. If you want the dosage correct you can't spill.

Well I assumed that during marathon you have places where you stop and drink. Usually there are even volunteers giving out water, you can have someone from your staff giving you a bottle of 1l of water-sugar.

But maybe I'm mistaken and they dont do that for marathon.

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m348e912 wrote: post #308
ragazzina wrote: post #264

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> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it. Do you have any evidence of this?

I have no evidence of this at all. I did thing it was interesting the demeanor of Sebastian Sawe and second place finisher Yomif Kejelcha, both of whom finished under 2 hours. If you watch Kelvin Kiptum break the world record at the 2023 Chicago Marathon and Eluid Kipchoge break the world record in the 2022 Berlin Marathon, you see the joy and exasperation of their achievement. That joy was missing in the winners of…

Interesting, I got the exact same feeling when I went to watch tour de France in mont ventoux.

One of the hardest place to climb and that was after hours of cycling, and weeks of racing.

Despite that, pogacar and his main competitor they looked so fresh. Like when you go do a country stroll. The others looked exhausted, some having saliva dipping of their mouth, but these 2 and maybe a few others had absolutely no sign of being tired.

He would later win the race, the tour de France, and many have serious doubt on him.

He regularly explodes climbing record held during EPO area by confirmed cheaters.

Personally that day I got confirmation that something ain't right.

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ungreased0675 wrote: post #316
tejohnso wrote: post #95

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> Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. I wonder where that leaves the barefoot movement. Hype dust?

I still prefer to run in minimalist shoes because I like to feel the ground. The new breed of running shoes seem comically thick to me. I tried a pair for a few weeks, they still feel wrong. If a company would make a low stack height shoe with one of the new super foams, I’d probably buy three.

Worth looking at the Adizero Adios 9. Uses full-length superfoam but with a 25 mm stack height, which is very low by modern standards.

If you have a neutral gait and prioritise tactility over cushioning, then they may well be a good fit for you. Not absurdly expensive, either!

https://runrepeat.com/adidas-adizero-adios-9

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Earw0rm wrote: post #320
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Is there anything here a people who should be dieting could learn here? I’ve found when running, every 3-4km if I do t have sugars/gatorade my blood sugar gets so low I end up almost confused… running suburban streets is tough because I’ve got to cross the road when I’m midly delirious!

How far are you running total, both per run and per week? Running will absolutely help your health, but on its own it's unlikely to get you thin. It's hard to burn enough to make a big difference without it chewing your body up in other ways - especially if you're overweight and out of condition to begin with, and so a bit more susceptible to injury than skinny runner types. Thinking of it as a calories in/out equati…

Thanks for your comment!

Unfortunately time hasn’t been on my side for a while now, so my daily running has slipped back to no running in the past year!

I’ll get back at it, but yes… will need to improved diet too

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kibibu wrote: post #113

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AI told us we should add glue to pizza

Is that not what tomato paste and/or cheese is? Food glue? The other ingredients would fall off too easily otherwise. Or did the AI say we should be using PVA/cyanoacrylate/polyurethane glue or something?

Specifically, Elmer's Glue.

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aucisson_masque wrote: post #351
_blk wrote: post #269

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I'm not the expert on the bio but the gel has the advantage of being consumable while running. Try drinking while running. Even at a slower pace it's hard not to spill. If you want the dosage correct you can't spill.

Well I assumed that during marathon you have places where you stop and drink. Usually there are even volunteers giving out water, you can have someone from your staff giving you a bottle of 1l of water-sugar. But maybe I'm mistaken and they dont do that for marathon.

Most people do, yes but in this case you don't want to stop on a sub 2 is the point.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

whycome wrote: post #336
aucisson_masque wrote: post #254

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> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…

> The hydrogel technology they have developed At what point is this just a performance enhancing “drug” — what makes something a drug?

Some say that protein or creatin is a drug.

Some say it's testosterone, but we already got natural testosterone in our body. Just like creatin.

Maybe a drug is at the point where you put in your body something that it doesn't produce naturally. Like nandrolone, clenbuterol.

Honestly I thought I had a clear view too but the more I think about it the more I realize that we are a bit hypocrite.

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boringg wrote: post #298
aucisson_masque wrote: post #254

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> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…

Pushing up to and over 100 is the challenge. If i remember right 90 is 60-30 (gluc and fruc) and the upper limit after that GI distress. You a cyclist or have you been doing that from running? From homemade concoctions… you can use maltodextrin for pure glucose.

Yeah 100 to 120 is where you start to need to get your gut used to.

I don't remember the exact ratio too, but just saying that it's nothing new and it doesn't explain in itself SAWE performance. Nor the light shoe.

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aembleton wrote: post #270
aucisson_masque wrote: post #254

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> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…

> You don't need 'advanced' gel to do that, a bottle of water with 120g of white sugar an hour. Did you carry all of these bottles on a marathon? Did you have to stop to get them out of your bag? How did you find drinking whilst running? I find gels much more compact and for the amount of time I need to run one - over 4 hours there's a lot of weight I need to carry. I can store a lot of them up front in my running ve…

> I find gels much more compact and for the amount of time I need to run one - over 4 hours there's a lot of weight I need to carry. I can store a lot of them up front in my running vest and keep going.

I believe he had people from his staff handing him gels and water at designated point in his race. He wouldn't have to carry it all.

And I don't get why my solution of water + sugar is so bad. You're still going to drink water, you can't just eat gels during the whole race.

You might as well add sugar to the water that you are already going to drink anyway, this way you don't need to carry the gel.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

LanceH wrote: post #309
ragazzina wrote: post #264

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> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it. Do you have any evidence of this?

It pains me that running, track, and cycling are "notorious" for doping, but the major sports don't test at any practical level compared to the "dirty" sports.

Any sport, at high levels, definitely involve performance enhancing drugs.

Even ping pong, Adderall can be a tremendous help.

It's just that the other sports don't test as much, they are not worst or better.

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