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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by Spooky23 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #315
Spooky23 wrote: post #90

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Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. The dismantling of everything to maximize executive power in order to maximize grift and corruption will have effects for decades. This is the American version of the cultural revolution. We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.

>We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists. What?! Who's doing that? Plumbers and scientists are not interchangeable cogs. Big brain scientist won't make good plumbers and plumbers won't make good scientists. And plus, so what if they would be doing it? Why do you make it sound like being a plumber is like being a leper somehow? The world needs plumbers too and they make a pretty penny. See that US wa…

Maybe you’ve been in a coma, but there’s this dude in the White House that has imploded science funding. We’ve probably displaced a quarter million people directly, and universities are attriting more as foreign students aren’t coming.

The copium offered is “go become a tradesman”. It’s just pandering nonsense offered to keep smug old people living in 1970 in line.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by [deleted] »

trinsic2 wrote: post #340
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #329

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They flip a bit in the DB that makes you an ex exmployee and your badge doesn’t work, you can’t login to systems, your emails don’t work, etc. It’s not that hard. To prevent it, someone in IT would have to actively prevent bosses from having those kind of admin privileges which in itself would be illegal.

Who would do that? and by what authority?

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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by ok_dad »

trinsic2 wrote: post #343
epistasis wrote: post #339

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Look at the body cam footage of the armed takeover of the Institute of Peace on youtube, or here's a politico article: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peac... Or Musk "deputizing" his private security guards to be federal agents for his purposes: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... A new department head gets installed, DOGE selects people to fire, has complete acces…

Thats a federal institution. Is this institution federal? Edit: thanks for the links. You can tell they are operating without authority. I had been totally unaware of this

Maybe go back and edit or delete your other ignorant comments now that you’ve actually learned something. You sat here derailing the conversation for an hour because you lacked the motivation to look up facts.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by joe_mamba »

Spooky23 wrote: post #351
joe_mamba wrote: post #315

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>We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists. What?! Who's doing that? Plumbers and scientists are not interchangeable cogs. Big brain scientist won't make good plumbers and plumbers won't make good scientists. And plus, so what if they would be doing it? Why do you make it sound like being a plumber is like being a leper somehow? The world needs plumbers too and they make a pretty penny. See that US wa…

Maybe you’ve been in a coma, but there’s this dude in the White House that has imploded science funding. We’ve probably displaced a quarter million people directly, and universities are attriting more as foreign students aren’t coming. The copium offered is “go become a tradesman”. It’s just pandering nonsense offered to keep smug old people living in 1970 in line.

>The copium offered is “go become a tradesman”. It’s just pandering nonsense offered to keep smug old people living in 1970 in line.

Yeah sure, because every american/westerner can become a 500k/year tech bro, no matter their IQ, and we don't need domestic skilled trained plumbers because democrats can replace them with a gorillion imported illegals.

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Post by lacy_tinpot »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #246
lacy_tinpot wrote: post #244

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> Executive branch shouldn't be beholden to the Executive? No. It should be beholden to the law. And sometimes the law creates independent agencies because that’s the only way to administer a complex, free society.

The law creates independent agencies??????

What?

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by lacy_tinpot »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #253
lacy_tinpot wrote: post #244

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It's really a quite boring take. The executive branch is not the President's personal property; he's a temporary custodian of it on behalf of the American people, and he has a duty to faithfully execute the laws Congress passed. He has no legitimate power to randomly smash things just because he'd personally like for them to be different.

The "American People" are not the bureaucrats working under the Presidency. The American People are the common people that vote to have their will be represented.

And the President represents that will.

The government is the property of the public, the very people that assigned and put in place a President of their choosing, to direct a branch of the government. In effect to exert the power of the People.

The President in effect very much has the legitimate power, as given by the American People, to smash everything and anything under the Executive branch.

The wish of the President is in effect the wish of the people that have elected the President.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by dang »

Ms-J wrote: post #320
dang wrote: post #184

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Good catch. I've replaced the title above with the article's HTML doc title. (Submitted title was "Trump fires all 24 members of the U.S. National Science Foundation", which was probably just an attempt to fit HN's 80 char limit that had collateral damage)

Hi dang, I sent you an email about all my comments showing up as dead and another problem, could you take a look when you get a chance? Thanks.

I didn't see your email for some reason, but we banned your account around the time that you posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47725717, which is obviously not ok to post to HN, regardless of who you're talking about.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

rectang wrote: post #335
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #334

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The punishment for treason can be death. Risking the lives of American intelligence agents and military operators for financial gain is plainly treasonous. I am not convinced beyond a doubt that that has not happened in this government.

With your focus on death as punishment — the day after an apparent assassination attempt no less — it seems we have less in common than I supposed. I’m not with you after all.

And if we find out that at least one of these assassination attempts was staged as a part of the greater kayfabe, what would your reaction be then?

Aside from the point, my support for judicial executions due to treason against the United States is not support for extrajudicial executions, like the ones that ICE has been carrying out. I think Italy and Romania are decent examples of countries becoming better off after executing their authoritarian figureheads, although I don’t think that there are grounds for that in the United States yet.

Execution != assassination, as the latter has a lot less success in creating real, long-lasting change than the former.

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Post by trinsic2 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #347
trinsic2 wrote: post #342

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I read your comment and im not seeing it. Show me the evidence of this happening, because this sounds like wild speculation.

The president does not have the right to make trade deals or tariff. Trump has tariffed basically the entire world, and is now paying that money back to... The family of his cabinet. The president does not have the power to declare war. We are at war with Iran. The president does not have the power to unilaterally dissolve agencies or reproportion or refuse their funds or budgeting. Yet the department of education is…

> So why can he do this? Because he can. And there's nothing you can do about it. And if you fight back there will be repercussions.

LOL. We'll see. You sound like you want this to happen and you dont care about the outcome. Good luck with that.

My alignment is to the common good. Im happy to work against a criminal that has no basis for these actions. We'll catch up, sooner rather than later.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by trinsic2 »

ok_dad wrote: post #353
trinsic2 wrote: post #343

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Thats a federal institution. Is this institution federal? Edit: thanks for the links. You can tell they are operating without authority. I had been totally unaware of this

Maybe go back and edit or delete your other ignorant comments now that you’ve actually learned something. You sat here derailing the conversation for an hour because you lacked the motivation to look up facts.

I don't need to delete my comments. The stand the way they are. Im comfortable with making mistakes and being wrong. And btw its not a derailment to ask questions related to jurisprudence of this administration's criminal actions.
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