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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by fc417fc802 »

slg wrote: post #348
fc417fc802 wrote: post #342

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> Who do you think is behind this? I don't recall off the top of my head but in past HN threads the global lobbyists for this were named with evidence. It's intriguing to me how there's seemingly a lot of objections in this thread to the idea that this movement was driven by lobbyists. I realize it's skirting the guidelines but the tone here comes across as some sort of astroturfing particularly when I consider the g…

Lobbyists don’t lobby just to lobby, they lobby on behalf of someone paying them. So this doesn’t actually answer the question, it just shifts it to “Who is behind the lobbyists?”

No kidding. I'm saying that those parties were mentioned in past threads and that I don't recall the details.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by gslepak »

slg wrote: post #347
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #330

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> Who do you think is behind this? Anyone who is interested in connecting an identity with every computer on the internet, like a tamper proof license plate for computers. Just ask local law enforcement. There has been a growing awareness for the possibilities of foreign states to manipulate social media and other platforms with fake personas. So any kind of counter intelligence would be interested as well. There hav…

Do you not see how this comment is actually counterproductive to the point you’re arguing? The long list of suspects, most of them being totally independent of each other is evidence of this not being orchestrated by some central group.

And yet, it is all part of a script. The future, without naming names, without knowing names, without pointing fingers, can somehow still be known and seen. So is that a conspiracy? Even if it looks like many disparate groups, clearly there is a central script, and if there's a central script, there must be a central author of that script.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by slg »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #345
slg wrote: post #295

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It's very noticeable that this is the part of my comment you responded to and not the question of who is behind all this. That is why people consider this stuff conspiracy theories. You aren't analyzing the various parties and what motivates them. You're just seeing a result you don't understand and jumping to the conclusion that it's only possible if there is some unknown shadowy group behind it all. If anyone here…

There's no requirement to name specific parties in order to make observations. Regardless of motivation it's clear from past examples that laws simply do not form across international borders in this manner. The lobbying is plain as day. What is your motivation for denying the obvious?

>What is your motivation for denying the obvious?

Comments like this don’t make you folks sound less like “conspiracy theorists”. It’s also a tone that tells me that you aren’t going to approach anything I say in good faith so there is no point in me trying to engage with you on the topic anymore.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by chickensong »

traderj0e wrote: post #339
chickensong wrote: post #335

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You can refuse the scan. It's just a surveillance grab, like the TSA photo. Unfortunately most people just go along with it.

Are they obligated to still sell the liquor if you refuse the scan? The cashier specifically told me last time they're required to scan it if I want to buy that.

Yes, there's no law requiring it. It's just corporate BS. They want to scan your license, that's it. Some cashiers will push back because that's what they've been told to do, but if you ask for a manager they'll admit it's not a requirement.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by gslepak »

slg wrote: post #353
fc417fc802 wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no requirement to name specific parties in order to make observations. Regardless of motivation it's clear from past examples that laws simply do not form across international borders in this manner. The lobbying is plain as day. What is your motivation for denying the obvious?

>What is your motivation for denying the obvious? Comments like this don’t make you folks sound less like “conspiracy theorists”. It’s also a tone that tells me that you aren’t going to approach anything I say in good faith so there is no point in me trying to engage with you on the topic anymore.

Written by sig a few minutes ago:

> It's very noticeable that this is the part of my comment you responded to and not the question

How funny you won't answer his question now. I'm also curious, what is your motivation for denying the obvious?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by kmlx »

nonethewiser wrote: post #218
afh1 wrote: post #199

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Do you think this is about kids? It's about online identity and government surveillance and control. Even if you think it is about kids, then take responsibility into your own hands, be a parent and prevent your kids from using it. Or you just want to tell other parents to raise their kids the way you want? Then tell them that, don't hide behind fascist police and justice system to force online ID for adults.

>Even if you think it is about kids, then take responsibility into your own hands, be a parent and prevent your kids from using it. Common but bad argument. You've misunderstood what the age verification control is for. It's to hold online services accountable for illegally providing services to minors. A parent being negligent doesn't mean Facebook should not be held responsible for breaking the law.

> illegally providing services to minors

> breaking the law

what law?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by fc417fc802 »

retired wrote: post #334
joe_mamba wrote: post #234

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In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people? Look, I hate (Zuckerberg's) social media just as much as the next person and I would be happy if it were nuked from this planet, but firstly, a lot of this sudden age verification shit to "protect the chil…

In most EU countries, children of farmers can drive 10 ton death machines with pointy spikes on the front from the age of 14 to 16. In some countries you can even do that on public roads!

> In some countries you can even do that on public roads!

I might be wrong but in the US I think it's generally anything goes on private land. Public roads would be the only relevant thing to consider.

What prevents absurd situations is (IIUC) the combination of child labor laws and the need to keep your insurance policy affordable.

I suppose if a parent turned his toddler loose in an excavator he might get brought up on some sort of child abuse law but honestly I doubt it. Some of the people out in the sticks teach their kindergartners to wield a shotgun and the government seems to leave them alone.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #348
fc417fc802 wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who do you think is behind this? I don't recall off the top of my head but in past HN threads the global lobbyists for this were named with evidence. It's intriguing to me how there's seemingly a lot of objections in this thread to the idea that this movement was driven by lobbyists. I realize it's skirting the guidelines but the tone here comes across as some sort of astroturfing particularly when I consider the g…

Lobbyists don’t lobby just to lobby, they lobby on behalf of someone paying them. So this doesn’t actually answer the question, it just shifts it to “Who is behind the lobbyists?”

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by drooopy »

lurkingllama wrote: post #186
10xDev wrote: post #94

Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

It's funny to me that we still call it "social media", when it bears no similarities to its original form. Back when your feed was sourced from your real-life friends and colleagues, and the only "algorithms" that existed were to show your latest friend's post at the top. It's a bummer, because I think a platform that follows Facebook's original intent has just as much value in today's world, if not more.

Calling 2026's facebook, instagram, tiktok, xshitter, whatever "social media" is like calling a casino "the 3rd place that you socialise out with your mates".

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by sunaookami »

andrewla wrote: post #293
sunaookami wrote: post #129

This sudden coordinated worldwide effort to ban social media for kids (hint: it's not because of the kids) needs to stop, it's dangerous and people need to stop being so naive and stop supporting this.

> hint: it's not because of the kids Why the silly conspiracy theory? Can't something just be stupid and bad but well-intentioned? You really think lawmakers are involved in some secret cabal that wants to track everyone's activities online? If anything, jurisdictions have shown that they are very interested in preventing the tracking of people's activity online, they just don't know how to do it!

>You really think lawmakers are involved in some secret cabal that wants to track everyone's activities online?

...yes? Not so secret though. The internet gave everyone the power to take matters in their own hands and read up on different sources from different countries and people and to talk to more people. They don't want to lose power and want their citizens to be uninformed and not coordinate efforts to critizice them and hold them accountable. Not only online but also offline because more and more surveillance cameras get installed, police gets more powers, checks citizens without suspicion.

Did you forget the Snowden leaks?

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