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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by PunchyHamster »

emtel wrote: post #258

One of the most frustrating things about HN is that people seem so unaware of how idiosyncratic their preferences are. If you stood on the street corner and asked every passerby what they would change about their phone, I think you would be there all day before someone said "I wish I could replace the battery". It's okay to have idiosyncratic preferences (I certainly do), but people should recognize that this law wil…

Counter-point - people might not know what they want until they experience it.

Yeah, for someone that changes phone every 3 years or earlier, that's not a desired feature.

But many people did that change precisely because battery got weak, and there have been less and less reasons to keep on the most modern model for a while now.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by alternatex »

larusso wrote: post #60

So this means no iPhone Air 2 in Europe? I can hardly see Apple wiggle around the special tools requirement when these batteries are glued and sealed shut in the devices. [edit] didn’t see the fine print with the cycles requirement etc. so it seems Apple etc is still safe.

Was there ever a plan for an iPhone Air 2? They're struggling to sell the stock they have.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by PunchyHamster »

hilbert42 wrote: post #320
Ntrails wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we in a better place because the EU forced it. You betcha. That's the point. Speak for yourself, I've gained nothing but annoyance. (I'm willing to accept a theoretical greater good argument - but I'm not precisely sold)

What exactly is your specific annoyance?

My guess is apple user

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by leptons »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #311
wincy wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect, I can buy a kit on iFixit for $55 for an iPhone 16 pro max, including the battery . I’ve replaced my iPhone battery before, aside from the glue being a bit sticky so needing a heat gun it isn’t that difficult.

And you can do it for much less if you want. I've replaced phone batteries with 6 dollars worth of tools and a hairdryer. You can buy glue or sticky gaskets for next to nothing as well if you care about waterproofing.

Most people are going to give up in 1 minute trying to open a smartphone. I can't imagine most people I know succeeding to replace the battery by themselves.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dmitrygr »

lolftw wrote: post #211
brk wrote: post #147

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In a perfect world, sure. But people also want phones these days that are physically durable, have some degree of waterproofing/water resistance, maximum battery life, etc. Many of the demands and expectations of a modern phone aren't easily compatible with a replaceable battery design that can withstand the incompetence of the average end user.

A GoPro fits all of those requirements and has easily replaceable batteries. Now, I understand that the shape and sizes are different. But I wouldn't mind some extra mm of thickness (I already get a pretty big camera bump anyway) if that means I can replace a battery faster.

YOU would not mind, many others would.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by PunchyHamster »

marcosdumay wrote: post #314
emtel wrote: post #258

One of the most frustrating things about HN is that people seem so unaware of how idiosyncratic their preferences are. If you stood on the street corner and asked every passerby what they would change about their phone, I think you would be there all day before someone said "I wish I could replace the battery". It's okay to have idiosyncratic preferences (I certainly do), but people should recognize that this law wil…

I don't think any single person I know would say they would exchange replaceable batteries for a 1mm thinner phone, waterproof up to 100m instead of 10m, or a $5 difference in price. In fact, the only place I would ever expect somebody to claim otherwise is here.

I'd love thick phone with big battery, the current ones are already thin enough to be uncomfortable without a case, but the available models seem to be "ok if you want battery you want some rugged brick 3 android versions behind with everything else worse"

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Post by patall »

jhasse wrote: post #343
eNV25 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern phones have 7 years of software support, but the battery lasts only around 3 years.

Pixel 8 is nearly 3 years old. Battery is still perfectly fine.

My Pixel 4a would also still be fine. If Google had not killed the battery. I think by now Google has asked (=paid) people to swap batteries on at least 3 different Pixel phones.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by jhasse »

anygivnthursday wrote: post #315

And next we could have mandatory security patching for 5 years to make it worth replacing the battery on an old phone. I would say right to repair should apply to the firmware/OS as well.

Already exists in the EU: https://www.reddit.com/r/Smartphones/comments/1lad1a4/eus_ne...

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Post by coda_ »

emtel wrote: post #258

One of the most frustrating things about HN is that people seem so unaware of how idiosyncratic their preferences are. If you stood on the street corner and asked every passerby what they would change about their phone, I think you would be there all day before someone said "I wish I could replace the battery". It's okay to have idiosyncratic preferences (I certainly do), but people should recognize that this law wil…

Your experience is not at all what I see out there. Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day. They hate having to set up a new phone when their old one is totally fine other than the battery.

For the people I know that do upgrade their phones regularly, they typically want to give their old phone to someone who would love a usable phone, but can't afford a new one. Giving a phone with a shot and non-replaceable battery effectively destroys the value of the gift.

I know many people who can't afford to by new, and they avoid buying older or used phones because they fear the battery may be shot.

We obviously have different opinions regarding what most people want... totally fine.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by george_perez »

twilo wrote: post #4

If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected.

Where did you see this? Can't see that in the article or a quick search on the rules PDF.
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