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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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What is the alternative? Have 30,000 meetings? How long will that take?

A great alternative would be operating a company correctly so you don't end up in a situation where you need to cut 30k jobs at once with no notice. That's a bizarre thing that's becoming practically normalized in the USA tech industry.

The realistic alternative is to regularly cut a smaller number of people, which is awful for morale.

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

There was also DB2. DB2 was (still is) an excellent database that IBM has completely fumbled.

It's very amusing to me that you bring up IBM in a discussion of the value of Oracle.

I came here to say that if you want to understand Oracle's value, think IBM with less history.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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They have not pulled the pin on the ZFS grenade yet, but I expect at some point it happens.

There's no zfs grenade. It's CDDL, feel free to use it wherever you want. Oracle can't come after you for violating the gpl even if somehow using zfs on linux violates the gpl.

I'm not a lawyer. I don't k is what Oracle's lawyers can and can't do. Even if I'm legally in the right, Oracle's lawyers could break me if they wanted. I can't know if there is a ZFS grenade, and neither can you. But we can choose to not deal with Oracle.

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This feels correct. Their business model is squeezing anyone who can't migrate off their properties and suing the rest. Why would go $58B in debt to support a new feature that no one will want after alienating everyone above?

They have not pulled the pin on the ZFS grenade yet, but I expect at some point it happens.

It’s why I run btrfs on my lab machines. I’ve used ZFS for, looks at calendar oh, wow, literally decades now. It’s fantastic. But the miasma of Oracle’s infection keeps me from recommending it for anything commercial.

ZFS, in a vacuum is fantastic. But it’s not in a vacuum.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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It's a job. Not a tribe. The role an employer plays in societies varies from culture to culture, but note that in many cultures, it is "just a job".

Yes, that's what people tell themselves to deal with it psychologically. That it's just a job, not a community, and you better not make friends in the workplace (despite spending majority of your life there). And that when you're unemployed, life just goes on, as if it doesn't mean much. Like when a traumatised kid never loved by the parents concludes that life is harsh and love doesn't exist, so better be tough.

> Yes, that's what people tell themselves to deal with it psychologically. That it's just a job, not a community, and you better not make friends in the workplace (despite spending majority of your life there). And that when you're unemployed, life just goes on, as if it doesn't mean much.

That's a lot of stuff you're saying. Not what I'm saying.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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My Amazon layoff notice came at 5am. Same deal. I thought it was fake because it came to my personal email. Then I logged into my work computer and found that all my email had been erased except for a copy of the layoff notice and an invite to a 10am Zoom with HR. The funny part was the invite had everyone who had been laid off in the To: line. I was able to send internal only emails until 1pm, and then it logged me…

I'm not sure if companies understand the emotional impact on the laid off and the layoff survivors. It almost seems like a terror campaign, whether intended or not.

This is largely the world we've created with litigation practices.

Corpo is very careful to show empathy that can be perceived in some way as accepting blame in a way that would open them to litigation.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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> The layoffs are directly tied to Oracle’s aggressive and debt-heavy expansion into artificial intelligence infrastructure. The actual culprit.

Post should be hire. People are missing the point they traded out data center cost for human cost.

"Hire" an unfortunately ironic typo!

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Java is not uncommon. Off the top of my head, a certain rainforest company and a lot of banks and EMR providers use it.

Amazon, among others, write a lot of java, but they want absolutely nothing to do with oracle licenses for java

They have their own OpenJDK distribution (Amazon Corretto)

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

There was also DB2. DB2 was (still is) an excellent database that IBM has completely fumbled.

There are three different Db2 databases.

I believe the mainframe version was first.

There is a version baked into the os/400 operating system (i series).

Then unix/windows Db2 came last, if memory serves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Db2

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