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Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by alsetmusic »

alsetmusic wrote: post #249
giancarlostoro wrote: post #218

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The worst part of Microsoft is whoever is running their marketing department, they just inject themselves into everything, like Windows. GitHub is different, they will 100% lose users and income if they don't learn to back the hell off of it though. Windows, well, everyone complains about Windows no matter what, so valid complaints are ignored. With Office, well, your employer is paying for it, so you have no say in…

> It's clearly the marketing dept at Microsoft swoops in and poisons all their software, who else would be doing this? Capitalism (and it's demands of the market) at its finest.

Stupid people think that because they're making a good living under capitalism (many on HN), it's a good system. All the ads on websites and shitty bosses and vendor lock-in and declining support options are "accidents" that would get better if "companies stopped being evil." No. It incentivizes evil.

Capitalism is the reason the internet sucks. If you don't agree, think about it longer and consider if it might actually be true.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by quantummagic »

alsetmusic wrote: post #351
alsetmusic wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's clearly the marketing dept at Microsoft swoops in and poisons all their software, who else would be doing this? Capitalism (and it's demands of the market) at its finest.

Stupid people think that because they're making a good living under capitalism (many on HN), it's a good system. All the ads on websites and shitty bosses and vendor lock-in and declining support options are "accidents" that would get better if "companies stopped being evil." No. It incentivizes evil. Capitalism is the reason the internet sucks. If you don't agree, think about it longer and consider if it might actua…

Capitalism is the reason the Internet exists. Instead of just complaining, why don't you recommend an alternative. One that hasn't starved and murdered millions of people, such as communism. It's childish to denounce an entire system, with no bloody idea at all about what to do instead, except idealistic utopian dreams... like we'll all just get along and prosper, if only capitalism didn't exist.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by defrost »

quantummagic wrote: post #352
alsetmusic wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid people think that because they're making a good living under capitalism (many on HN), it's a good system. All the ads on websites and shitty bosses and vendor lock-in and declining support options are "accidents" that would get better if "companies stopped being evil." No. It incentivizes evil. Capitalism is the reason the internet sucks. If you don't agree, think about it longer and consider if it might actua…

Capitalism is the reason the Internet exists. Instead of just complaining, why don't you recommend an alternative. One that hasn't starved and murdered millions of people, such as communism. It's childish to denounce an entire system, with no bloody idea at all about what to do instead, except idealistic utopian dreams... like we'll all just get along and prosper, if only capitalism didn't exist.

> why don't you recommend an alternative.

Gee, I dunno, maybe state sponsored research?

  The people who invented the internet came from all over the world. They worked at places as varied as the French government-sponsored computer network Cyclades, England’s National Physical Laboratory, the University of Hawaii and Xerox. But the mothership was the US defense department’s lavishly funded research arm, the Advanced Research Projects Agency (Arpa) – which later changed its name to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) – and its many contractors. Without Arpa, the internet wouldn’t exist.
~ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-i...

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by quantummagic »

defrost wrote: post #354
quantummagic wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalism is the reason the Internet exists. Instead of just complaining, why don't you recommend an alternative. One that hasn't starved and murdered millions of people, such as communism. It's childish to denounce an entire system, with no bloody idea at all about what to do instead, except idealistic utopian dreams... like we'll all just get along and prosper, if only capitalism didn't exist.

> why don't you recommend an alternative. Gee, I dunno, maybe state sponsored research? The people who invented the internet came from all over the world. They worked at places as varied as the French government-sponsored computer network Cyclades, England’s National Physical Laboratory, the University of Hawaii and Xerox. But the mothership was the US defense department’s lavishly funded research arm, the Advanced R…

There may have been worldwide influences, but there is a reason it took hold and flourished in the United States, and other capitalist countries first. It all happened with capitalism in full swing, it was financed and built with the engine of capitalism driving it. It's disingenuous to pretend that capitalism is the problem and what is actually holding things back. It's childish and destructive. God pray we don't actually get to find out what these envious, spiteful people will spawn if they manage to destroy the system that has produced more wealth and prosperity than any other invented by man. They have no plan, or indeed any clue, what will arise out of the ashes.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by alsetmusic »

quantummagic wrote: post #355
defrost wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why don't you recommend an alternative. Gee, I dunno, maybe state sponsored research? The people who invented the internet came from all over the world. They worked at places as varied as the French government-sponsored computer network Cyclades, England’s National Physical Laboratory, the University of Hawaii and Xerox. But the mothership was the US defense department’s lavishly funded research arm, the Advanced R…

There may have been worldwide influences, but there is a reason it took hold and flourished in the United States, and other capitalist countries first. It all happened with capitalism in full swing, it was financed and built with the engine of capitalism driving it. It's disingenuous to pretend that capitalism is the problem and what is actually holding things back. It's childish and destructive. God pray we don't ac…

> but there is a reason it took hold and flourished in the United States

Because we're special. Full stop. I talked like this when I was a teen. "How are you gonna run your computers if you destroy us" (because we were the only people who could make software and computers).

> get to find out what these envious, spiteful people will spawn if they manage to destroy the system that has produced more wealth and prosperity than any other invented by man.

We generated a lot of wealth via slavery. Do you get it? The USA has exploited and HARMED other countries. If you're unaware, research it. Did your clothes become cheap because workers in Indonesia got a fair paywage similar to your loved ones? Or were people paid almost nothing to finance your lifestyle.

Oh, also the countries who hate a bully are envious and spiteful. It has nothing to do with throwing our weight around to eliminate and install autocrats because we love democracy and freedom.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by account42 »

quantummagic wrote: post #352
alsetmusic wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid people think that because they're making a good living under capitalism (many on HN), it's a good system. All the ads on websites and shitty bosses and vendor lock-in and declining support options are "accidents" that would get better if "companies stopped being evil." No. It incentivizes evil. Capitalism is the reason the internet sucks. If you don't agree, think about it longer and consider if it might actua…

Capitalism is the reason the Internet exists. Instead of just complaining, why don't you recommend an alternative. One that hasn't starved and murdered millions of people, such as communism. It's childish to denounce an entire system, with no bloody idea at all about what to do instead, except idealistic utopian dreams... like we'll all just get along and prosper, if only capitalism didn't exist.

The Internet was initially developed for the military and then extended for academic use. Capitalism wasn't needed to create it. And neither does "not the capitalism we have in the west today" equal to "soviet communism" - it's neither a binary distinction nor is it a one dimensional spectrum.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by account42 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #284
alsetmusic wrote: post #249

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> It's clearly the marketing dept at Microsoft swoops in and poisons all their software, who else would be doing this? Capitalism (and it's demands of the market) at its finest.

You can be a capitalist without ruining your product.

Not a very good capitalist though and there will be others without that "limitation" you have to compete against.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by account42 »

monooso wrote: post #348
philipov wrote: post #292

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Capitalism means ownership by investors, and it is the investors who ruin your product.

I believe capitalism is defined by private ownership (not necessarily by investors) of the means of production.

Cool, but how is this theoretical fact relevant to the real world.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Post by account42 »

mindcrime wrote: post #311
philipov wrote: post #292

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Capitalism means ownership by investors, and it is the investors who ruin your product.

Capitalism - in principle - doesn't even require that investors as such exist , much less that they own everything. That our current system has evolved into a pseudo-capitalist system which introduces all sorts of State created constructs (like corporations), and borrows elements from fascism, socialism, etc., doesn't mean that it must be this way.

It does mean that in practice - even in the name, capital is front and center.
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