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Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by leonidasrup »

tpm wrote: post #298
veqq wrote: post #258

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You can put up a plant in 5 years without erroneous regulation.

Do you have some examples of that in the last decades?

Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates. Build by Korea Electric Power Corporation (KEPCO).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barakah_nuclear_power_plant

Nameplate capacity 5600 MW

Construction began

Unit 1: 19 July 2012

Unit 2: 16 April 2013

Unit 3: 24 September 2014

Unit 4: 30 July 2015

Commission date

Unit 1: 3 August 2020

Unit 2: 14 September 2021

Unit 3: 10 October 2022

Unit 4: 23 March 2024

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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JKCalhoun wrote: post #312
singleshot_ wrote: post #310

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Ok so just checking: no cooking oil is made of petroleum then?

To prevent your focus on cooking oil becoming pedantic you might acknowledge at least the veracity of "plastics, fertilizers and pharmaceuticals" being impacted.

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Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by tpm »

leonidasrup wrote: post #351
tpm wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some examples of that in the last decades?

Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates. Build by Korea Electric Power Corporation (KEPCO). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barakah_nuclear_power_plant Nameplate capacity 5600 MW Construction began Unit 1: 19 July 2012 Unit 2: 16 April 2013 Unit 3: 24 September 2014 Unit 4: 30 July 2015 Commission date Unit 1: 3 August 2020 Unit 2: 14 September 2021 Unit 3: 10 October 2022 Unit 4: 23 March 2024

That's 8-9 years of construction only.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by tpm »

veqq wrote: post #349
tpm wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some examples of that in the last decades?

China's been building dozens of them, some going up in 4 years. It's very easy to google this. https://www.reddit.com/r/nuclear/comments/1hsvl0w/chinese_re...

Going up from what date exactly? Construction start is when you already have all plans approved, permitted and financed, so 4 years from construction start is far from "putting up a plant in 5 years". So, some examples for 5 years all in?

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by singleshot_ »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #312
singleshot_ wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so just checking: no cooking oil is made of petroleum then?

To prevent your focus on cooking oil becoming pedantic you might acknowledge at least the veracity of "plastics, fertilizers and pharmaceuticals" being impacted.

You might read the rest of the thread (in particular, my posts above) if you seek these details.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by leonidasrup »

tpm wrote: post #296
testing22321 wrote: post #196

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In 20 years we’ll have one plant for $20 billion that generates electricity that is vastly more expensive than solar. No, that is a terrible idea.

The current estimate for Hinkley Point C is at £48 billion.

"Why Britain is building the world’s most expensive nuclear plant"

https://spectator.com/article/why-britain-is-building-the-wo...

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by leonidasrup »

testing22321 wrote: post #196
leonidasrup wrote: post #40

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Europe would be better served by doing, what France did in 1974. "As a direct result of the 1973 oil crisis, on 6 March 1974 Prime Minister Pierre Messmer announced what became known as the 'Messmer Plan', a hugely ambitious nuclear power program aimed at generating most of France's electricity from nuclear power. At the time of the oil crisis most of France's electricity came from foreign oil. " "Work on the first t…

In 20 years we’ll have one plant for $20 billion that generates electricity that is vastly more expensive than solar. No, that is a terrible idea.

Solar is cheap, but does not produce during night and much less during winter or under cloud cover. So you have to include costs of other power sources and energy storage.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by leonidasrup »

tpm wrote: post #353
leonidasrup wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates. Build by Korea Electric Power Corporation (KEPCO). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barakah_nuclear_power_plant Nameplate capacity 5600 MW Construction began Unit 1: 19 July 2012 Unit 2: 16 April 2013 Unit 3: 24 September 2014 Unit 4: 30 July 2015 Commission date Unit 1: 3 August 2020 Unit 2: 14 September 2021 Unit 3: 10 October 2022 Unit 4: 23 March 2024

That's 8-9 years of construction only.

There is a trick, you can multiple build simultaneously. Or better with a slight delay, so that construction crews (which do separate phases of construction) can move between projects and use experience gained in one build in another build.

Nuclear construction requires highly skilled workers doing very high quality work. One of the biggest problems with nuclear construction in U.S. and Europe is that last significant builds have been done around 1985, companies doing nuclear construction closed or moved to other products, or moved to maintenance, upgrades of power plants.

https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/reactors.html

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gib444 wrote: post #271
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

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BYD EVs are affordable. Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables, oil will not.

> Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables Citation?

https://www.bbvaresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/2604... (slides 7, 9, and 10 specifically)

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by gib444 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #359
gib444 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables Citation?

https://www.bbvaresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/2604... (slides 7, 9, and 10 specifically)

Yeah a lot of noise in there. Zooming in on the COVID price spike and then recovery trying to suggest it was renewables - nice try.

Fact is if you zoom out 20 years Spain's prices have trended up. Your link just proves my point that while there has been an increase in the blend, it hasn't reduced prices.

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