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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by freedomben »

bengale wrote: post #136
joering2 wrote: post #50

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> 3. Apple had a bug in their age verification protocol. Again, valid point, but Apple needs to follow UK law. No they don't. They need to grow balls. They pay hefty tax rates in UK. If they would announce they are leaving UK market in 90 days, I bet you would find enough politicians to change the course of this terrible law.

I think this law is the wrong way about doing what they're trying to do, but I also don't want US corps deciding what is and isn't permissible in our country.

> I also don't want US corps deciding what is and isn't permissible in our country.

Apple might be the wrong company for you then. They're all about corporate control and deciding what is and isn't permissible on their devices. The first time you want to install an app that isn't approved in their app store, this becomes quite apparent.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

ozten wrote: post #334
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #295

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It's really gotten better in the last few years. Try a spin of Fedora sometime to see the latest polish.

I have been an active user for almost 30 years. You can tell by my comment.

Oh, sorry, I misread your comment as sarcasm.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by fipar »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #289
embedding-shape wrote: post #134

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Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.

Getting music on an ipod was always a pain unless you bought the music on itunes or ripped a music CD directly with itunes (yes, that was an actual feature. hard to imagine these days). No simple drag and drop onto a mounted USB drive like all other mp3 players back in the day. Maybe more of a lock-in attempt instead of lock down, but related imo.

You can still rip CDs with Apple Music. In fact, that's the only use I have for that app (I recently lost a hard drive with music and I'm in the process of backing up all my CDs again).

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by bean469 »

macintux wrote: post #335
gib444 wrote: post #288

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What can't you do without a smartphone in the UK or wherever you live? Specifically a smartphone, not just a phone number for SMS + calls.

Not the person to whom you're responding, but for me, some of the heavy hitters: - Real-time weather alerts (I spend a lot of time in a naked Jeep in the summer, it's helpful to know when rain is imminent) - Work-related authentication - Audiobooks - High quality, always available camera with quick editing and instant sharing capabilities - GPS tracking when I'm exploring - Find restaurants, museums, hotels when I'm…

Although I do agree with some that you listed, I think that many do have alternatives:

- Audiobooks can be listened on other devices besides smartphones

- A dedicated camera is a very good option for taking high-quality photos fast, but I do agree that instant sharing is not a possibility

- GPS tracking is available on many watches, even non-Smartwatches like the ones Garmin designs

- You can pay with a credit / debit card via NFC - just as fast as with a smartphone

- You can find restaurants and other places through maps, tourism centers, etc. Or there's a option for researching where to go before heading out

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by GeekyBear »

soapdog wrote: post #271
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog.

Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan.

Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware.

As far as age verification goes, this is a restriction being forced on companies by governments.

Apple previously allowed parents to set age restrictions on their children, or not, as they saw fit.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by NoNoisle »

pram wrote: post #175
embedding-shape wrote: post #134

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Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.

"locked down" is a vague, moving target. The criticisms of pre-OSX MacOS was that it was an operating system for little babies, and not serious tech enthusiasts and power users. Also they were too expensive, and you can build a PC that is 100000x more powerful for cheaper. This literally hasn't changed.

Uh where’s the cheaper MacBook neo that is 100000x more powerful?

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Post by freedomben »

stavros wrote: post #345
johnthedebs wrote: post #219

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Sounds like you're talking about Apple disabling Advanced Data Protection in the UK? https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 Weird take to shift the blame to Apple for that.

No, Apple adding fees "to comply with the DMA" because "EU made us do it": https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/26/app-store-eu-rule-chang...

Interesting, I would not have expected calling Apple out for their malicious compliance practices would be controversial.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by dghf »

swiftcoder wrote: post #188
dghf wrote: post #127

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> Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act. https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif...

While Ofcom hasn't required it yet , they have indicated that they very much plan to[1]. Apple is pretty clearly getting out ahead of this, and simultaneously removing the burden of compliance off all of the relevant app developers (which seems in line with their overall privacy stance - I'm more inclined to trust Apple with my ID than I am some social network) [1]: https://www.rpclegal.com/snapshots/consumer/winter-…

That mentions app stores, but I can't see anything about device-level age-verification there.

Also, does Ofcom have the power under the Online Safety Act to mandate app-store verification (or device-level verification, for that matter)? Or would it require secondary, or even primary, legislation?

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by g947o »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #297
g947o wrote: post #241

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Now your government knows you are a registered user of PornHub. It will be fun when (not if) the database is leaked.

I don't think they meant literally Oauth but instead that you can get a verification request from the party that needs your age verified, get it signed by the government, and then send the assertion back to the relying party. It's not necessary for the government to send the signed verification request directly to Pornhub. It's not even necessary for the government to sign the assertion itself. A trusted device (like…

I am not holding my breath.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by stavros »

subscribed wrote: post #311
stavros wrote: post #195

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The EU is already implementing this in the best way it's ever going to be implemented: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-ver... I really don't like this perfect law enforcement future, but this EU initiative is about the best design one can have.

Almost. Their apps will only work on Apple and Google-controlled phones. There are no plans to allow separate, standard AOSP attestation methods for Android. Google's crooked* Play Integrity will be the only one. *crooked because it confirms Android 8 are safe and with full integrity, even when they're rooted, full of malware and present spoofed certificate.

Really? Ugh, that's terrible. Teaches me to hope.
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