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Post by pixl97 »

leptons wrote: post #346
dijit wrote: post #174

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sadly, a nice idea that is painfully naive with how computers are used in reality. One need only remember how easy it was to take over IRC channels with a few hundred bots to see the endgame of this rationale… it cannot be patched out, it’s inherent to the internet. That which would make a vote valid; can (and will) be gamed.

It could work depending on how it is set up. Maybe only accounts with n-number of years get 1 single vote, and maybe don't let any random 2-day old account get a vote.

So now accounts are worth even more money or reason to steal.

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Post by pixl97 »

gzread wrote: post #234
johannes1234321 wrote: post #215

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Yes, the "important" ones need some special attention. If "democracy" where anybody can create arbitrary amount of accounts is however questionable. The vast majority of sub forums however are more targeted and smaller to begin with.

Squatting is bad no matter how niche the topic

Squatting also invites corruption and selling rights to control what is posted to a sub.

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Post by Cpoll »

gzread wrote: post #278
dangus wrote: post #269

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I would say that HN has a lot of features that would be seen as draconian in how much they limit your interaction by other platforms. You can barely comment before you are rate limited. You can’t upvote until you’ve been around a pretty long time. New accounts are given a green badge of dishonor that makes users scrutinize their comments more. I’m not saying these are bad things but they’re probably too restrictive f…

If you are rate limited, a moderator has manually applied a rate limit to your account. Accounts are not rate limited by default. You can appeal the decision by emailing hn@ycombinator.com.

I think there's a short-term rate limit applied to everyone, e.g. you get a message if you try to post three replies in the same minute. I've seen it once, and I don't think I'm active enough to have earned a manual flag.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

taikahessu wrote: post #308
randerson wrote: post #295

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A well moderated forum (like HN) is great. I don't have time for the signal-to-noise ratio of X. IMHO Reddit would be better if it had AI moderators that strictly follow a sub's policies. Users could read the policies upfront before deciding whether to join. new subs could start with some neutral default policy, and users could then propose changes to the policy and democratically vote on those changes.

> users could then propose changes to the policy and democratically vote on those changes. Which, in fact, would open up the same rat race with determining which accounts are real and so forth. Not disagreeing with you, just circling around this same problem. Feels like the world still isn't ready yet.

If the policies are public, there's a lot more transparency. eg my city of millions of people has a subreddit. The head mod bans people for criticizing a certain dog breed. This "policy" is pretty opaque, but if the AI enforced subreddit rules say "thou shalt not mention the dog's breed when commenting on articles about someone being mauled to death", more people would be familiar with the rule (and perhaps there would be more organized discussion).

I was on a subreddit for a while that voted on rules and had a rotating dictator to facilitate them. It worked decently well, although it never got to the point where the sub was brigaded. This was also pre-LLM so moderation was still a big time sink and the sub eventually fizzled out

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Post by tokyobreakfast »

nichos wrote: post #305
koolala wrote: post #301

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I don't think the problem was spam content it was hate content. Hate can be organic

Who decides what "hate" is though? Does it switch with every administration? Free speech, including "hate speech" should be allowed, as long as it doesn't violate the law (calls to violence, etc)

"Everything I disagree with is hate speech"

Reddit is filled with calls to violence, I would say it's gotten quite worse since. What's changed is that it all comes from one side now.

When you curate the echo chamber, the calls start coming from inside the house.

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Post by tokyobreakfast »

randerson wrote: post #295
ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

A well moderated forum (like HN) is great. I don't have time for the signal-to-noise ratio of X. IMHO Reddit would be better if it had AI moderators that strictly follow a sub's policies. Users could read the policies upfront before deciding whether to join. new subs could start with some neutral default policy, and users could then propose changes to the policy and democratically vote on those changes.

Try criticizing Apple or China or other sacred cows and see how quickly your post gets flagged.

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Post by majicDave »

echelon wrote: post #220
gzread wrote: post #202

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"content creators" https://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2025/07/06/content-creator/

The word "content" is gross. "Creator", on the other hand, is beautiful. It means you don't have to pick a lane. Anything can be creative. Documentary filmmaking, stop motion, dance, costume work, historical reenactment, indie animation, economics essays, game dev... The problem is we don't have a nice word that holistically captures the output of creators. They're not all making films or illustrations. So what do yo…

Creations?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mschuster91 wrote: post #218
gzread wrote: post #197

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I still haven't been able to figure out how to make an account without it being immediately shadowbanned or normalbanned. Tried again the other day, it was something in between where logged-out users could see it was banned but I couldn't.

You need to ditch and replace all your devices and acquire a new phone number. I'm serious. Virtually all large websites these days employ a lot of fingerprinting and persistence technologies. And yes, ditch them. Even well over a decade ago, Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts. You must be extremely careful of never using any device that was associated with your o…

Just don't use apps. Then the only association is a discardable cookie and IP.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

dbmikus wrote: post #267
mikeocool wrote: post #51

Kinda seems like we’re rapidly headed for the complete collapse of the internet as we know it. Every site that is driven by user posting seems to be headed towards being overrun by AI bots chatting with each other, either for sake of promoting something or farming karma. And there’s really not much point in publishing good content anymore, since AI is just going slurp it up and regurgitate it without driving you any…

Every website needs to add the "friend or foe" system[0] so that I can mark bots to avoid their content and mark good posters so I can filter just to theirs. [0]: https://hackersmacker.org/

On /. I would only mark obnoxious people as friends so I could see the friend-of-a-friend indicator and be cautious of anyone aligned with them.
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