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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by dbspin »

j_maffe wrote: post #339
tibbar wrote: post #286

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I think OpenAI is more of an aesthetic. Very... Apple-like, polished, with an eye towards making really cool stuff. And aesthetics are a type of philosophy. This is less noble than how Anthropic presents themselves but still much more attractive to many than XAI.

> aesthetics are a type of philosophy. What philosophy is that?

It's literally called aesthetics, the philosophical approach is the original meaning of the word - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics

Properly, focusing on aesthetics as an ethic would be practicing the philosophy of aestheticism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestheticism

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by yoyohello13 »

Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

> people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment).

Honestly, we should judge. There should be judgment for people who are solely money motivated and making the world a worse place. I know, blah blah privilege, something something mouths to feed. Platitudes to help the rich assholes sleep at night. If you are wealthy and making stuff that hurts people, you are a piece of shit and should be called out, simple.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by dgxyz »

jarrettcoggin wrote: post #273
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

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In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

From my time at Tesla, this is 100% the case. When Elon asked for something, it was “drop what you are doing and deliver it”, then you got pressed to still deliver the thing you were already working on against the original timeline before the interrupt.

Oh I worked at one of them.

I found the best thing to do was to ignore the interrupts and carry on until they kick you on the street. Then watch from a safe distance as all the stuff you were holding together shits the bed.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by kvetching »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #290
kvetching wrote: post #275

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I don't see the problem with this. The chatbot is the most important part of Grok, so it makes sense Elon would be dogfooding it then providing suggestions.. He wants it to be truthful... It was shown on benchmarks recently that it hallucinates the least...

>He wants it to be truthful How do you know this? Why would you believe him considering the massive lies he's told, for example about the 2020 widespread election fraud

https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience?omnisc...

AA-Omniscience Hallucination Rate (lower is better) measures how often the model answers incorrectly when it should have refused or admitted to not knowing the answer. It is defined as the proportion of incorrect answers out of all non-correct responses, i.e. incorrect / (incorrect + partial answers + not attempted).

Grok 4.2 which was just released in the API just benched the best at this benchmark.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by wolvoleo »

enaaem wrote: post #89
wolvoleo wrote: post #31

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To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

The problem is you can undress real people and that is extremely harmful and dangerous. One kid took his life after an ai sextortian scam [1]. Imagine the damage cyberbullies, scammers and stalkers can do? [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sextortion-generative-ai-scam-e...

Yeah like I said. With consent of the people involved.

There must be a way to do that. Especially with all the facial req chops these days. Also, you could simply refuse using existing images. I don't see why they wouldn't refuse that because that's a pretty narrow usecase with very few benign purposes.

> Imagine the damage cyberbullies, scammers and stalkers can do?

They already can. There's open-source models out there.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by etchalon »

kvetching wrote: post #275
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

I don't see the problem with this. The chatbot is the most important part of Grok, so it makes sense Elon would be dogfooding it then providing suggestions.. He wants it to be truthful... It was shown on benchmarks recently that it hallucinates the least...

He wants it to tell the truth as he sees it.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by 0x3f »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #324
siva7 wrote: post #268

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I'm smart and you can buy my morals. So what?

True, many smart people will gladly (or even begrudgingly) do evil for money. That's why there is so much suffering in the world, because of people like you.

Is ad tech and the like really causing so much suffering? The government work, mass surveilance, killing people etc. doesn't actually pay that much, typically.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by kvetching »

estearum wrote: post #350
kvetching wrote: post #275

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I don't see the problem with this. The chatbot is the most important part of Grok, so it makes sense Elon would be dogfooding it then providing suggestions.. He wants it to be truthful... It was shown on benchmarks recently that it hallucinates the least...

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by wolvoleo »

chabes wrote: post #42
wolvoleo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

That consent of portrayed parties is impossible. What is the solution there?

You can just forbid using existing images as a source and describe them purely by text.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by etchalon »

mattbillenstein wrote: post #285
Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

This is becoming the problem with all of his businesses - Tesla has a crazy valuation and it really seems like they're having huge trouble getting Robotaxi going in Austin given the very slow progress there.

Very few people down here want to ride in them, and I have multiple friends with hilariously disastrous stories.

Most of the Waymo stories are "Well, it took 15 minutes to arrive, but then it was fine, if a little slow."

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