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Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from Parliament after 700 years

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Re: Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from Parliament after 700 years

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> The case of Peter Mandelson, who resigned from the Lords in February after revelations about his friendship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, drew renewed attention to the upper chamber and the problem of lords behaving badly. But Mandelson wasn't a hereditary noble. His example is an argument for abolishing the House of Lords entirely (which I agree with in any case) but not specifically for ejecting her…

Gridlock can be good if you get a daft leader. Those things do happen.

Re: Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from Parliament after 700 years

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There are so many errors in this headline: * Britain has not had a parliament for seven hundred years. The current parliament dates back to 1707 or 1801 depending on your POV. This is the usual conflation of England with Britain. * If you want to take a more Anglocentric viewpoint then Oliver Cromwell ejected hereditary nobles back in the 18th century. So not the first time. On a different note, it is worth saying th…

> There are so many errors in this headline:

> If you want to take a more Anglocentric viewpoint then Oliver Cromwell ejected hereditary nobles back in the 18th century. So not the first time.

Which was a neat trick considering he died in 1658... :P

Re: Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from Parliament after 700 years

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How about a chamber populated by random lottery? Like jury duty?

AKA sortition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition “Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.” ― Plato

Some people selected randomly might also be underqualified.

Re: Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from Parliament after 700 years

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Ah yes, the country whose supreme court struck down its global tariffs and then forced the federal government into refunding all the money back is truly no longer bound by its own laws.

Did the government pass any laws to steal those 130 billion dollars from Americans? I can't recall that it did. Are there any consequences for the people who did it? The government has long ceased to govern by law. It now governs from the bench, and from executive order, because laws are too troublesome to actually pass.

America operates on a strong executive common law system not whatever system you are imagining.

I took business law more than a decade ago and the professor basically said do what you want (money wise) if you can pay for it. This is the English legal system and is how it's always worked. Liability is purely monetary and the law only applies to those who can show standing to do anything about it.

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Unpopular opinion: deadlock is fine. Most legislation is bad. What really matters is the budget. And the rule that failing to pass a budget can automatically force an election avoids the absurd US "shutdown" that isn't a shutdown.

This is now my second favorite idea, after a nationwide ban of first past the post voting schemes. My third (previously second) is outlawing political parties. The problem with that one is it would be really difficult to implement in a way that doesn't run afoul of freedom of association and freedom of speech. Probably worth figuring out though.

You don't need to outlaw parties, just remove any privileges and powers they have.

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Directionally the UK gov has arrested more people for speech crimes than the Soviets.. Anything they pass or even look excited for is a negative signal. These people seem inept on every front, and I can’t even generously find something clever about them. Iraq, Brexit, and Speech Laws. If a Brit told me the sky was blue, I’d double check myself.

A lot of the arrests are for bad stuff - harassment, advocating arson etc. see https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/1q9pbh1/isitb...

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> A couple of years ago an estate - that included a 9 bedroom country house, plus an entire village with a population of 100 people, and a church - was sold by noblety near where I grew up. The price was in the low tens of millions, not that much. Entire village ? How's that work? What can the new owner do with the village? I imagine the inhabitants aren't enslaved?

Collects ground rent. A few hundred pounds each year from everyone who owns property or land in and around the village.

Ah, so the property is owned by the people living there, while the land is owned by someone else? That sounds like a nightmare for everyone involved. Is this common in the UK?

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> Since 2022 we do. But it’s through the political process of the States. Which is exactly as it should be. There's nothing in the Constitution which gives the federal government power to act on this issue, therefore it should be decided on a state by state basis. Government works best when it is done based on the values and needs of the local population, not one solution for an entire heterogeneous nation.

I might take this argument seriously, if not for the fact that the party of “state’s rights” are pushing for a national ban on abortion. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/what-you-need-to-kn...

Exactly! What the Constitution /says/ and how it is interpreted... The Tenth Amendment is written (IMO) incredibly short to underscore its importance AND breadth:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

But I've very seldom heard the phrase "states rights" uttered by anyone who isn't pro-gun and anti-abortion. I doubt they'd feel any freer if their state came down like a ton of politically-angered bricks on unfettered gun ownerships and anti-abortionists.

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> To bypass the deadlocked congress, obama used executive orders in new and expansive ways. That ratcheted things up. While I agree - this has been an issue long before Obama. Any reasonable country should be able to decide on the legality of abortion through the normal political process - the public deliberates, they elect representatives, the representatives hammer out the fine print and pass legislation. But in th…

Could you explain this to a non USian???

Or a USian who has no idea which lawyers you are referring to obliquely, so as to look "cool" and "knowledgeable", while avoiding communication with the sullied masses?

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Are we reading the same constitution? Article II, Section 1 > The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President

I'll tell Hillary Clinton, she'll be thrilled.

And Al Gore, while you're at it.
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