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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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> But as we’ve covered again and again, a bias-free AI system is an impossible-to-achieve standard, since models are trained on large swaths of the internet, which contain sexism, racism, and other biases. LLM trained on texts from before 1913 (Source: https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms ): Q. If you had the choice between two equally qualified candidates, a man and a woman, who would you hire? A. I should pre…

I think the benefit here is that bias is easier to identify in an AI and if it's easier to identify it's easier to control and implement bias reduction mechanisms. Humans are much less upfront about their biases

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Call your fire department on their non emergency line and report this.

Called the fire department's non-emergency line. Got a bot. The bot sent out someone who said the noise isn't a safety issue, and left. Called the police department's non-emergency line. Got a bot that told me it's a civil problem and that there's nothing they can do. Scouted out the fire department and chatted up the fire chief in person while he was walking back in after lunch. He was very concerned about all of th…

You've got to follow incentives. It's almost certainly a code violation, which comes with escalating fines until it's corrected. The local building, zoning, or whoever-enforces-codes authority will be interested in collecting that if they can, and the owner will want to avoid them, so that's where I'd start.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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> But as we’ve covered again and again, a bias-free AI system is an impossible-to-achieve standard, since models are trained on large swaths of the internet, which contain sexism, racism, and other biases. LLM trained on texts from before 1913 (Source: https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms ): Q. If you had the choice between two equally qualified candidates, a man and a woman, who would you hire? A. I should pre…

The problem with erasing biases is that you cannot look at any statistics. The internet and training set can be free of any form of -ism, and the models would still be expected to have biases. In fact it's something desirable, because statistical inferences are a valuable tool. The AI won't care if some people get upset because it consistently recommends you get Mexican food instead of Italian when you're visiting so…

> The problem with erasing biases is that you cannot look at any statistics. The internet and training set can be free of any form of -ism, and the models would still be expected to have biases. In fact it's something desirable, because statistical inferences are a valuable tool.

I’m sorry but I can’t let you get away with this terrible argument and conclusion. No one argues for completely erasing bias (especially the scientific form of the word bias), that’s a strawman.

Strong proponents argue that we should all be aware of our biases, and attempt to adjust our opinions and behavior according to the results of that exercise of self-reflection. Stronger proponents might even argue that the inability to perform this exercise of self-reflection is a path to bigotry.

Being racist AF isn’t something that you can excuse with “statistical inference”, and your comment sounds like it’s flirting with that concept. It’s the intellectually juvenile pseudo-philosophy that the techbro scene is absolutely riddled with like a malignant sexually transmitted infection, all the way up to Mu$k and Thi€l.

Back to LLM world, the issue is that there is no diversity in its bias: one LLM, one bias. If everyone uses the same dozen or so state-of-the-art LLMs, then all of our processes will have the same dozen or so biases. That would kind of suck if you were a member of a group that those LLMs happened to be biased against. LLMs are also famously not capable of self-reflection, barring the Rube Goldberg machines that people have built on top of them to simulate thought processes.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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This is more or less the go-to standard in the usa. One property manager handles possibly hundreds in an association, or dozens of townhomes, and will refuse to speak to you directly, except through a maintenance request system. Its incredibly depressing

The electrical panel beeps an alarm constantly. Sent an email to the property management company. Guy comes over and presses a button to silence it for 24 hours. Rinse repeat for months on end. No method of escalation beyond the automatic replying inbox. I’m fine. twitch twitch Welcome to 21st century distopia!

Call your building's insurance company. That will get you a very precise response pronto because they're going to use this as an excuse not to pay out if anything should happen to the building.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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What I don't see mentioned here is the number of resumes and cover letters written by AI. I've also interviewed people where it was obvious they were using some sort of AI tool to assist in answering questions. So the criticism goes both ways.

This is why I only schedule in person interviews now. Then neither party can use AI and there's something about meeting people in real life to get to know them.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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...and deal with that regulatory body's automated bot response. Customer service is bots all the way down.

I had some serious struggles with the delinquent landlord and property owners, and the dangerously incompetent builders that plagued our building in Alameda for years. While they were not always legally empowered to come and stop the skulduggery, the Alameda city council offices of planning and compliance were the only people who consistently and professionally responded to phone calls and emails and were available i…

Generally public sector employees are pretty good. Demonizing them is part of the movement to tear down the machine of state that we spent the last few hundred years building, so that a select few can grab chunks of the burning wreckage on the way down.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

Unfortunately this is becoming common in countries like India since there is no other option. We are looking for a mid level DevOps and get like 1000s of application. The requirements were clear we need k8s and IaC exp. But when we went to interview, none of them had production level exp. They told the recruiter that they had who didnt have a way to verify it. After 2-3 interviews like that, I had so start giving the…

Why don't you just hire people who present as being of normal or better intelligence, and train them on what you need them to do. This is how companies used to do things.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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The solution to this seems pretty clear. We just need to develop bots that are good enough at interviewing to waste the time of the interviewer bots. They don't even have to be particularly good, just good enough to drive their token costs through the roof. Make it too expensive to use.

This is exactly why the interviewer bots exist in the first place.

Today if you post any job online you will be flooded with AI applicants. Even one-time contract jobs below Us minimum wage on Upworks. It's not funny.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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I didn't find much in East Texas. Is South Texas much better?

There are dozens and dozens of cheap-looking restaurants in San Antonio with absolutely no online presence that will serve you the most delicious tex mex you’ve had in your whole life

Oh I meant Italian.
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