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Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by skeledrew »

magicalist wrote: post #47
egeozcan wrote: post #26

You can always tell claude to use red-green-refactor and that really is a step-up from "yeah don't forget to write tests and make sure they pass" at the end of the prompt, sure. But even better, tell it to create subagents to form red team, green team and refactor team while the main instance coordinates them, respecting the clean-room rules. It really works. The trick is just not mixing/sharing the context. Differen…

> But even better, tell it to create subagents to form red team, green team and refactor team while the main instance coordinates them, respecting the clean-room rules. It really works. It helps, but it definitely doesn't always work, particularly as refactors go on and tests have to change. Useless tests start grow in count and important new things aren't tested or aren't tested well. I've had both Opus 4.6 and Code…

Did you look at the actual coverage yourself though? That's something I always have active, and if I see it low in an area, I'll be asking questions.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by brushfoot »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #346
brushfoot wrote: post #342

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> sounds like alot of work and expense for something that is meant to make programming easier and cheaper. It's not more work; it's a convergence of roles. BA/PO/QA/SWE are merging. AI has automated aspects of those roles that have made the traditional separation of concerns less desirable. A new hybrid role is emerging. The person writing these acceptance criteria can be the one guiding the AI to develop them. So no…

> It's not more work It literally is. You're spending weeks of effort babysitting harnesses and evaluating models while shipping nothing at all.

That hasn't been my experience, as a "ship or die" solopreneur. It takes work to set up these new processes and procedures, but it's like building a factory; you're able to produce more once they're in place.

And you're able to play wider, which is why the small team is king. Roles are converging both in technologies and in functions. That leads to more software that's tailored to niche use cases.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by duskdozer »

elar_verole wrote: post #325

I just don't understand where these people get all this money. The answer is often "oh it's just claude max" like man I don't have 200$ MONTHLY lying around ?? That's half my rent

Some could be in very expensive areas where their rent could be 10x your rent

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by missingdays »

lmz wrote: post #226
tdeck wrote: post #216

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> who wouldn't answer yes to the question "would you like to finish your task faster?" People who enjoy the process of completing the task?

Maybe we'd see "coding gyms" like how white collar workers have gyms for the physical exercise they're not getting from their work.

codeforces and topcoder have existed for years

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

wreath wrote: post #314
gedy wrote: post #140

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Yeah maybe I'm just old but in 25 years in industry - not one company has needed this much code that fast. They may insist they do but then it sits while they figure out how to sell, or the inevitable "oh wait, we didn't think about that..."

Exactly! How do other parts of the organization deal with this avalanche of features in terms of documenting, pricing and packaging, marketing, selling and getting feedback on them. How do users adopt these features and incorporate them in their workflows so fast? Never in my career was the speed of writing code alone the bottleneck.

> deal with this avalanche of features

You mean avalanche of bugs and technical debt.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

brushfoot wrote: post #352
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not more work It literally is. You're spending weeks of effort babysitting harnesses and evaluating models while shipping nothing at all.

That hasn't been my experience, as a "ship or die" solopreneur. It takes work to set up these new processes and procedures, but it's like building a factory; you're able to produce more once they're in place. And you're able to play wider, which is why the small team is king. Roles are converging both in technologies and in functions. That leads to more software that's tailored to niche use cases.

> you're able to produce more once they're in place

Cool story, unfortunately the proof is not in the pudding and none of this fantom x10 vibe-coded software actually works or can be downloaded and used by real people.

P.S. Compare to AI-generated music which is actually a thing now and is everywhere on every streaming platform. If vibe coding was a real thing by now we'd have 10 vibecoded repos on Github for every real repo.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by anhner »

joegaebel wrote: post #160
bhouston wrote: post #32

I call this "Test Theatre" and it is real. I wrote about it last year: https://benhouston3d.com/blog/the-rise-of-test-theater You have to actively work against it.

I've found the best way to achieve that is to force the agent to do TDD. Better to get it to do Outside-in TDD. Even better to get it to run Outside-in TDD, then use mutation testing to ensure it has fully covered the logic. I've written about this and have a POC here for those interested: https://www.joegaebel.com/articles/principled-agentic-softwa...

You mean an LLM wrote an article for you. I got bored not even halfway through because it wrote a wall of text but it didn't actually say anything.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by ruszki »

evrenesat wrote: post #337
brobdingnagians wrote: post #300

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I would encourage my competitors to use AI agents on their codebase as much as possible. Make sure every new feature has it, lots of velocity! Run those suckers day and night. Don't review it, just make sure the feature is there! Then when the music stops, the AI companies hit the economic realities, go insolvent, and they are left with no one who understands a sprawling tangled web of code that is 80% AI generated,…

Qwen3 Coder Next and Qwen3.5-35B-A3B already very good and can be run on today's higher end home computers with good speed. Tomorrow's machines will not be slower but models are keep getting more efficient. A good sw engineer still would be valuable in Tomorrow's world but not as a software assembler.

Even cutting edge models are not very good. They are not even on mediocre level. Don’t get me wrong, they are improving, and they are awesome, but they are nowhere near good yet. Vibe coded projects have more bugs than features, their architecture and design system are terrible, and their tests are completely useless about half the time. If you want a good product you need to rewrite almost everything what’s written by LLMs. Probably this won’t be the case in a few years, but now even “very good” LLMs are not very good at all.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by rafaelmn »

hi_hi wrote: post #206

This _all_ (waves hands around) sounds like alot of work and expense for something that is meant to make programming easier and cheaper. Writing _all_ (waves hands around various llm wrapper git repos) these frameworks and harnesses, built on top of ever changing models sure doesn't feel sensible. I don't know what the best way of using these things is, but from my personal experience, the defaults get me a looong wa…

These people play around with shit and try to sell you on their secret sauce. If it actually works it will come to claude code - so you can consider them practical SOTA and honestly just plopping CC to a mid sized codebase is a pretty great experience for me already. Not ideal but I get real tangible value out of it. Not 10x or any such nonsense but enough to think that I don't think I want to be managing junior developers anymore, the ROI with LLMs is much faster and significant IMO.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by Aachen »

And here I am turning my computer off at night for energy consumption, while others run a few extra ones for... for what, anyway? If you're working on problems real people are having (diseases, climate change, poverty, etc.) then sure, but exacerbating the energy transition for a blog post and your personal brand as OP seems to do? How's that not criminal
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