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Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

I prefer facial recognition. Probably good that there isn't a popular face-spoofer app, since it would put attention to the efficiency of these verifications. Credit card info is a bad solution. In many countries they still are rare and it would very likely exclude as much adults as children. The real answer is that while we should expect children to be online, it is the responsibility of the parents to moderate thei…

I definitely agree that we need to pass strict laws around “advertising,“ which at this point is a misnomer for the assault we experience every day just by engaging with the Internet or simply walking into a store now. It’s data fracking, not “targeted advertising” anymore.

The semi-anonymous Internet is so important especially for people in repressive households/societies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

whats incredible to me are how many useful idiots out there STILL fall for it. ___ said hamas beaheaded 40 babies and that turned out to be a complete fabrication. That fake info was used in part to justify killing thousands of kids in ____ meanwhile the recent strike on Iran resulted in 80 little girls getting killed (with plenty of evidence) and its swept under the rug while we get blasted about the 7 soldiers that…

>whats incredible to me are how many useful idiots out there STILL fall for it. That's about 99% of the population.

But none of us here, right?

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>whats incredible to me are how many useful idiots out there STILL fall for it. That's about 99% of the population.

But none of us here, right?

We are special of course. Edit: Actually just me, I'm special

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

There's even precedent for credit cards! I remember my dad needing to make a small transaction to get me a nintendo online account back in the 3DS and Wii U era

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My default reaction to the introduction of any age-verification for any service is the closing account. Goodbye Discord, account closed out of protest. The second option is ignoring the verification request. Goodbye online-gaming-with-strangers on Xbox. (I see this as a positive). Same goes for Ubisoft who aggressively wanted my secret papers to verify my identity. I've yet to come across anything I want or need outs…

What's wrong with being flagged a non-adult? Being a non-adult means you are limited to supervised child-safe spaces. Child-safe doesn't mean "no adults" allowed. It means "monitored and censored"

It becomes a problem when platforms are overly cautious in putting an adults only rating on things. The last thing I need as a transgender woman is to attach my personal information to my searches about my health in a country actively progressing towards making a database of us to round up and be sent to camps

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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The EU is rolling out the EUDI system this year where citizens can verify their age (>16, >18, >21) without revealing any personal information. This is a solved problem over there.

According to the EU Identity Wallet's documentation, the EU's planned system requires highly invasive age verification to obtain 30 single use, easily trackable tokens that expire after 3 months. It also bans jailbreaking/rooting your device, and requires GooglePlay Services/IOS equivalent be installed to "prevent tampering". You have to blindly trust that the tokens will not be tracked, which is a total no-go for pr…

Yikes. I fully expect non-sabotaged computers to become illegal in the coming decades

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The fact that these tools are 'active' centric, i.e : You must perform an action to validate you're NOT a child, these will never protect children. A predator simply needs not to verify anything and appear benign and ironically more anonymous than law abiding people. I'm not saying the inverse is the answer either, just that if anyone without an agenda of surveillance looked at this for a second, the penny would have…

> A predator simply needs not to verify anything and appear benign and ironically more anonymous than law abiding people. Roblox takes the sane approach with this: communication features are completely disabled for "unverified" users.

Minecraft is going this direction as well, at least for UK based users.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Age verification inherently requires identity verification. The UK's Online Safety Act originally had a proposal that would allow users to purchase an ID code anonymously in cash from a corner store, presenting only ID to the cashier the same way as buying alcohol. This was never implemented, because it's more useful for the government and corporations to link all online usage to a government ID.

I didn't know the Online Safety Act had this proposal. Do you have a source? I've been proposing the same thing on this site for months. IMO anonymous age verification with no record-keeping is the only form of age verification that should exist. No zero knowledge proofs, no centralized government identity provider, nothing.

Zero knowledge proofs are better than this "bearer token" proposal because all what is needed to unmask an account is for the shop to note down the name on the ID and the code that was given to them.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Age verification inherently requires identity verification. The UK's Online Safety Act originally had a proposal that would allow users to purchase an ID code anonymously in cash from a corner store, presenting only ID to the cashier the same way as buying alcohol. This was never implemented, because it's more useful for the government and corporations to link all online usage to a government ID.

> Age verification inherently requires identity verification. Not necessarily. There are facial scan tools which make a guess based on visual appearance of the face. They aren’t perfect, but they might have error rates comparable to systems which require linking to government ID systems.

Facial scan is also identity verification.
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