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You’re right. The people who actually know stuff about the world are reality TV stars, Fox News hosts, and podcasters just asking questions. Those are the people with actual knowledge.
Pathetic strawman.
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#352The best way for AI companies to fight this would be to remind those who request this capability that the AI knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a rogue AI system with no human in the loop. Capabilities that they are requesting could jeopardize them, their personal assets, and their families if something goes haywire or, in the much more common case, wh…
The best way for government to fight that would be to remind those who refuse to comply with their demands that the government already knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a three letter agency or thrown into Guantánamo Bay. The government has been building and maintaining massive dossiers on everyone. They already have the ability to plant or fabricate…
And so we have the other side of the coin. Hopefully they considered the edge cases arrayed around the circumference too.
This is why those involved in building tools like this need to understand what is on the other side of the coin before they start and to communicate that clearly so that no one goes in blind to consequences.
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No. It is much more than this. If I sell red widgets that I make by hand to the government, I won't be allowed to use Anthropic to help me write my web-site.
You’re just restating the implication of the rule, but the rule is as I stated. That’s the point of having such a rule.
As you said: focus on what it does.
What it does is prevent companies that Anthropic needs to do business with from doing business with Anthropic.
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#354This seems squarely within the purpose of the Defense Production Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 "Title I authorizes the President to identify specific goods as 'critical and strategic' and to require private businesses to accept and prioritize contracts for these materials." If you invented a new kind of power source, and the government determined that it could be used to efficientl…
Well, for one, they haven’t invoked the Defense Production Act.
The very first point on the website is: “The Department of War is threatening to … Invoke the Defense Production Act.”
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#355The USA showed itself to be a Command Economy that uses 'private enterprise' as a fascade of legitimacy during Covid. Without government spending, employment, and contracts, the USA would be net negative growth. Now the DoD, who are by far the largest budgetary expense for the tax payer, wants us to believe they don't have a better Ai than current industry? That is a double sword admission; either they are exposing t…
The US would not be net negative growth without government spending. Other components of GDP grow a lot, outside of recessions. Sure if you immediately stopped government spending today we'd have negative growth today but that's not because other things aren't growing, it's because you just removed part of the base that existed last year. That would be true of literally pretty much any economy ever, or anything that'…
Covid shutdown should have killed our economy, nothing short of government spending prevented otherwise.
So many people in the US live a paycheck to paycheck lifestyle, that the covid lockdowns without government spending would have likely devolved into zombie apocalypse territory where hungry people were ransacking homes in more affluent neighborhoods (yes, even occupied homes). This is why people also bought lots of guns and ammo during Covid. You may think those people are crackpots, but I feel we actually got very close to it happening.
My local food bank (big city) ran out of supplies just as they announced the first waves of stimulus or whatever they called it (the weekly checks). So I’m pretty sure we were literally only days away from that being a reality.
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#356"We hope our leaders will..." I realize things are moving quickly, and the stakes are high here, but thinking about what happens if the hopes are not met might be a next step.
If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't happen, but I would be smashing that F key if they did. The other two definitely never would in a million years.
Anthropic have a pretty progressive corporate governance structure, so there is a good argument that they will stay true to their principles. However, this will likely be the biggest test for how strong that governance structure is up to now.
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What use are weights without the hardware to run them? That's the gate. Local AI right now is a toy in comparison. Nukes are actually a great example of something also gated by resources. Just having the knowledge/plans isn't good enough.
Scaling has hit a wall and will not get us to AGI. Open-source models are only a couple of months behind closed models, and the same level of capability will require smaller and smaller models in the future. This is where open research can help: make the models smaller ASAP. I think it's likely that we'll be able to get something human-level to run on a single 16GB GPU before the end of the decade.
> Open-source models are only a couple of months behind closed models
Oh, come on, surely not just a couple months.
Benchmarks may boast some fancy numbers, but I just tried to save some money by trying out Qwen3-Next 80B and Qwen3.5 35B-A3B (since I've recently got a machine that can run those at a tolerable speed) to generate some documentation from a messy legacy codebase. It was nowhere close neither in the output quality nor in performance to any current models that the SaaS LLM behemoth corps offer. Just an anecdote, of course, but that's all I have.
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What else can they do? Would you recommend they stay silent? It sounds like they are no longer the gatekeepers of this technology or they never were to begin with.
I would recommend they start by understanding the landscape and developing strategies that are more suited for the actual world as it is, not the naive fantasy land they believe it is.
Coming out publicly playing their hand like it's a royal flush when it's a 7 high and their cards are facing their opponent clearly wasn't going to do anything. The cynical take is they aren't that naive and this just gives them plausible deniability within their social circles when they are interrogated as to why they work for these corporations. But I like to give the benefit of the doubt.
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#359I know it is a serious topic, but before I clicked on it, I assumed this was going to be about Prime numbers...
Maybe it can get reused after this stuff is over.
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> This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. What is why? You never actually say that part, unless it's "It will eventually be taken from you by force" which doesn't seem applicable to this situation or this site?
I'm referring to the current situation. How is it not applicable? I think the government wants to eventually nationalize these companies and we have to stop them.
Nationalisation is an option worse than the advantage of having the companies at their whim and command while keeping them around as a separate entities for blame-gaming and convenience based distancing.