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Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

smiley1437 wrote: post #248
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #228

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Maybe I am underestimating how suggestible average people are as someone who has never in their lives clicked on an ad I just can't see ads being anything but a deterrent for using the service

I agree with you, I can't stand ads However, I believe an ad it still influences you subconsciously as long as it is in your sight line. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of investigation into subtly slipping advertising in the LLM responses the way Korean dramas have product placement right in the storyline (Subway, bbq chicken, beverages, makeup, etc).

Subtle things like the guy in CSI Miami talking about how good Subway is for 5 minutes?

Of course stuff in the world influences me, I am still a human. Still I have never clicked an ad and bought something. I simply don't get who would. Same as with the super market placing candy and stuff next to the cashier to get people to buy more, I have never been swayed by those because when I go to the store I am always on a mission and know before hand what I am buying.

It would be cool to see all the times I have been influenced into buying something because of subconscious advertisement, but that's kind a impossible so all I can do is deny it and of course all marketing people will say that I am wrong.

And we can argue forever what counts as an advertisement. For example I recently bought a new mouse pad, I wasn't particularly looking for a specific one, just something fun and bright and as I was browsing a web store they had a cool design for half off and I bought it. Maybe that was targeted advertisement, but I had already made the decision to buy a new mousepad and had been browsing on and off for few weeks, so was it really? I would argue not.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

minraws wrote: post #245
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #228

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Maybe I am underestimating how suggestible average people are as someone who has never in their lives clicked on an ad I just can't see ads being anything but a deterrent for using the service

Ads aren't just for click through, they are for suggestions, and mind share as well. You can't click on the budweiser logo when watching super bowl ad. But if you sit in your chatgpt window all day then it's probably worth it for advertisers to expect to build familiarity with brands they advertise.

Really depends what the ads are. If they are popups or other intrusive ads the product will just die. If they are subtle hints in the text how are you going to track it. I don't know, I just don't believe in ads, but then again I am dirty commie so who am I to tell you not to

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

wiseowise wrote: post #300
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #227

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Yeah. I also do not see the lead. Claude Opus writes better code and for conversation all models even Le Chat is just better than ChatGPT currently.

> for conversation all models even Le Chat is just better than ChatGPT currently Not sure what you’re smoking, but I want some.

I am smoking this thing called: putting same prompt in four different apps and seeing which ones give me answers and which ones hallucinate and patronize me, but considering your comment I can see how you would prefer ChatGPT

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Gigachad wrote: post #350
shubhamjain wrote: post #29

Everyone is actually underestimating stickiness. The near billion users OpenAI has is actually a real moat and might translate into decent chunk of revenue. My wife, for example, uses ChatGPT on a daily basis, but has found no reason to try anything else. There are no network effects for sure, but people have hundreds and thousands on conversation on these apps that can't be easily moved elsewhere. Understandable tha…

At the conversation backlogs worth anything? To me they seem as valuable as Google search history. After maybe 3 days they are worthless.

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Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by u8080 »

scandox wrote: post #257
KeplerBoy wrote: post #255

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Do people care about their old LLM sessions? I might have sessions I revisit over a few weeks, but nothing longer than that. The conversations feel as ephemeral as the code produced. Some tiny fractions of it might persist long term, but most of it is already forgotten and replaced by lunch time.

My barber does. It's his therapist and the fact that it knows all about his life is very important to him.

>revealing all psychological exploits you have to 3rd party corporation

Scary shit

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by croon »

mister_mort wrote: post #329
mercer wrote: post #277

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Hotmail is a good example too. I remember it being pretty ubiquitous, at least for the 'personal email' crowd, and it seemed implausible that people would give up on what was often their main email 'location' for another offering without being able to transfer their often important and personal stuff. then gmail came along.

Did Hotmail offer email redirection at that time? I can't remember whether that sort of thing that would make it easy to switch away was offered.

I don't remember that detail, but I do remember most people not treating their inbox as an archive at the time. So there was less friction to switch to gmail, and more reason to do so due to the "real time" ticking storage amount of gmail, which then became an archive (again for most people).

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by Sharlin »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #346
skeptic_ai wrote: post #298

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Imagine subliminal messages being sent in the llm responses carefully created for max impact on you. I’m sure many companies will pay to recommend their product on ChatGPT.

Okay, but if we are going scifi why not just beam ads in to dreams like in Futurama?

The word "subliminal" and its connotations aside, it's not like subtly influencing people without them noticing is anything new.

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Post by prawn »

mercer wrote: post #277
oblio wrote: post #133

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> Being a first mover doesn't guarantee getting to the golden goose, remember MySpace. MySpace, ICQ, Altavista, Dropbox, Yahoo, BlackBerry, Xerox Alto, Altair 8800, CP/M, WordStar, VisiCalc, the list is very long.

Hotmail is a good example too. I remember it being pretty ubiquitous, at least for the 'personal email' crowd, and it seemed implausible that people would give up on what was often their main email 'location' for another offering without being able to transfer their often important and personal stuff. then gmail came along.

Beyond that too, I would think that many people view a Hotmail account as an indicator that you're backwards or not serious in business.

I distinctly remember the shift to and then away from Altavista as well.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by amelius »

maxloh wrote: post #349
daxfohl wrote: post #130

I just wonder how long it'll take local models to be good enough for 99% of use cases. It seems like it has to happen sooner or later. My hunch is that in five years we'll look back and see current OpenAI as something like a 1970's VAX system. Once PCs could do most of what they could, nobody wanted a VAX anymore. I have a hard time imagining that all the big players today will survive that shift. (And if that partic…

In my experience with Gemini, most of its capabilities stem from web searching instead of something it has already "learned." Even if you could obtain the model weights and run them locally, the quality of the output would likely drop significantly without that live data. To really have local LLMs become "good enough for 99% of use cases," we are essentially dependent on Google's blessing to provide APIs for our loca…

That's totally not my experience. The AI component (as opposed to the knowledge component) is really what makes these models useful, and you could add search as a tool. Of course for that you'll be dependent on a search provider, that's true.

Re: How will OpenAI compete?

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Post by widenrun »

robotpepi wrote: post #279
raincole wrote: post #274

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I disagree. So far I've seen people use "Photoshop" and "Google" as verbs. No one uses "ChatGPT" as a verb. People do use ChatGPT but the brand recognition isn't that strong. My anecdotes are that Google is winning even on consumer side.

> No one uses "ChatGPT" as a verb. In my experience, they do, a lot. "I asked ChatGPT" is something I hear a lot. And yes, this example is not using ChatGPT as a verb, but the idea of brand recognition is there; it's just a grammar thing.

Today I heard at least 5 times something along the lines "I got this from ChatGPT", "I asked ChatGPT"...
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