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Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath.

I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad. Seeing the death toll statistics and even the direct effects through a screen is not visceral for many folks. Starvation isn't avoidable and you can't ride it out. There isn't any chance that starving to death could be less severe than getting a bad flu. Nobody can avoid…

>I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad.

Propaganda works.

The knowledge worker class often believes their training will afford them some level of protection against it. Even then, with those warding effects, they're still susceptible. Consider further that most people in society are significantly less educated or trained in epistemological functions than they are - a large portion of society is defenseless against a liar with a megaphone.

Propaganda won't contest that starvation is occurring. It will claim that the reason for the starvation is a specific foe, internal or external e.g. It's China's fault we're starving or the immigrants have caused this food security crisis and once they're gone we'll have enough food for our own people, etc. They'll workshop and see which ones poll well, then run with the talking point that seems to perform best.

Since the government harnessing that discontent has no real desire to fix that problem, all they need to do is maintain the perception that they're the solution, while not addressing the problem itself.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

> It is not ideal, but it is necessary when the higher-desirability options are not working. You are simply imposing your own views on others. Just because you disagree with Flock doesn't give you the right to destroy license plate readers that my tax dollars paid for. Who appointed you king?

Nobody said he had the right, he explicitly does not have the right, that's what makes it civil disobedience.

And civil disobedience is basically necessary to have a functioning society long term.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Yet everybody is happy giving plaid and therefore palintir there entire financial history and future data

It's funny how some banks even disallow you from copy-pasting your routing and account numbers to make it harder to manually set up payments that way

Which banks do that?

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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When it comes to privacy violations, Ring and Nest aren't much better - but at least people have a choice whether or not to install them. Nest: video was recovered from 'residual data located in backend systems' even though there was no active subscription. Ring: employees accessing people's videos. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/05/... I am an American and I am doing something about it. Co-…

I support what you're doing, but I'd like to point out that everybody cares about ethics at the start... > We are committed to protecting human privacy and mitigating bias in policing with the development of best-in-class technology rooted in ethical design, which unites civilians and public servants in pursuit of a safer, more equitable society. https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety

I see your point, and I've seen people reevaluate their priorities when presented with a life altering sum of money (or with a court subpoena).

And that's one of the reasons we made it architecturally impossible for someone to access the data externally. The user decides how and where to send the data.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Doesn’t that just mean Flock makes more money from making replacements?

"Ah, see, criminals hate Flock cameras. We'll send you a replacement for free, but you should buy two more and point it at that one so you can catch the bastard next time." is how I imagine that goes.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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It seems to me that throwing bad data into the Flock system is far more effective than breaking a few commodity electronic devices.

Figure out how to put an LCD in front of many of the ALPR cameras and play a slideshow of car images of license plates that exist almost exclusively in different geolocations. Make the Flock data so noisy that it becomes useless.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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It's also rare to just "discover" an entire continent that is basically free for the taking since Europeans annihilated native populations through disease and technological superiority. Much of what makes America unique is tied to this essentially once in a generation event that will never happen again on this planet, a contingent confluence of Earth's parallel geographic and biological evolution... it's fairly easy…

That's one of the core plot points in The Mars Trilogy - Why take orders from people on another planet in the age of sub-light-speed space travel?

It's worse than that; within a few generations our linguistic and biological systems will begin to diverge under conditions with little cross-pollination and different selective pressures. We will become aliens in the sci-fi sense very rapidly if we attempt to create a foundation-like diaspora of settlements.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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You're in a bubble. It's not wholly a bad faith distraction tactic, and denying wrongdoing by anyone flying the "left" banner is a scary thought.

So one one hand we have Nazi ideas[1] being platformed by the ruling political party which has barely disguised its support for ethnically cleansing the country of all non-white people[2]. And on the other hand we have radical democratic socialist candidates proposing stabilized rent[3]. What am I missing here? 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/04/republican-part... 2. https://www.esiweb.org/newsletter/100…

The main cases I've seen against people on the left (non-exclusive) are:

- Lots of them in Epstein files

- Mass importations of unchecked non-citizens

- Trying harder to look cool to Europe vs helping Americans

- Overregulation (things like California Coastal Commission)

- Massive fraud (LA -> SF bullet train, tens of billions for "homelessness" that don't go towards homeless at all, building permits, etc)

- Antifa burning down 3rd party businesses for reasons unknown

- Attempts to squash 1st amendment, particularly on gender

Since you linked sites like the Guardian and Atlantic, I figured the bar was low enough that you can just google any of these points and find an opinionated piece of similar quality.

The bubble I refer to is the fact that seemingly all you see is the bad on one side and good on the other. As easy as you claim one side are Nazis trying to kill off non-whites, the people on the other side claim the left is trying to force movie/music propaganda to eradicate all white people. Both sides have millions of posts from terminally online people wildly claiming outrageous things. Both "sides" have bad people. If you can't agree to that, you are in a bubble or just lying.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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post #75

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What confuses me is that no revolution is required. All we had to do to avoid this was to vote. Voting would still (probably) work.

The US is a semi-democracy, notably due to its hyper-polarized two party system that completely forbids (in the 2020s) any crossing of party lines for compromise. The single biggest improvement to American society would be to implement multi-member districts for legislature, OR to implement STAR voting - any kind of system that promotes the existence of more parties, more political candidates, to break the two party…

I think more people would bother with voting if they felt their vote mattered, but between the two party system (where both options suck), the gerrymandered distracting, and other voter suppression tactics people have been conditioned to feel powerless over the outcome of elections.

I'm entirely unsurprised if the majority of places taking a stand against flock cameras are liberal. From what I've seen conservatives tend to fetishize police and punishment. There's a lot of boot-licking going on for a group of people who posture as being rebels and anti-government, but I think there's also an assumption that only (or mainly) "others" will be targeted and punished. To the extent that it's true, I sure wouldn't expect it to stay that way.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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post #58

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You won't get to the kind of change you thought you would see until food runs low and the economy stalls. The American Revolution was rare in that it didn't need to happen. The Founders were just being giant assholes (j/k). While the French Revolution just a few decades later was more status quo. A lot of starvation and poverty just pushed the population over the edge.

I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath.

People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far more disruptive to my life than the disease itself, which would obviously not be the case with starvation.
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