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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by fasbiner »

listic wrote: post #281
fasbiner wrote: post #252

This looks interesting, but if you don't have creepy and opaque admin controls and algorthimic manipulation that create a thousand little tinpot Larry Ellisons, you should highlight that. Because that's why no one I know uses Mastadon.

Could you please explain exactly why you think no one you know uses Mastodon? I'm trying to figure it out. I, personally am hesitant to use it first and foremost because Mastodon (and many of its lesser known alternatives) is a variant of micro -blogging (I'm appalled how extending character limit beyond 500 apparently counts as a feature in Fediverse!)

No, nothing cute like that.

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/18079

The instance owner has absolute anonymity and absolute power to snoop with no access logs and no known identity. CCPA? GDPR? Access controls? Good luck! You can leave the instance, but you're leaving all your data behind for them or any future owner of the instance to do whatever they want with... forever.

And even if you trust them and everyone they will ever meet, people can and do store their server logs unencrypted.

Then argue they can't help it and you don't "get it" because that's just how the architecture has to work in order to... well it's not clear why this is a good design for the user or any better than other social media.

1) You still don't own your data 2) You still don't have any privacy 3) Every single part of the user experience is inferior or confusing and the people making it don't care because they're focused on doing what they can to connect kids with anonymous instance owners.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by WD-42 »

rapnie wrote: post #297
CodeCompost wrote: post #278

I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time. So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are so…

This has nothing to do with Lemmy, but more with any social media that is just open to the general public. Ask the moderator teams of Facebook, what they encounter day to day. Many of these poor folks work in shitty job conditions and burn out leaving with PTSD. If you spin up a fediverse app like Lemmy, you spin up a platform. It is platform software. And you get the responsibility, but also the opportunity , to set…

This is a huge ask. Most of us are just nerds that find the technical aspects interesting, a hobby during our spare time.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by AlecSchueler »

simlevesque wrote: post #337
pousada wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Curate the content in your instance How do i do that without getting PTSD as well? Or is there some magic method that works without me looking at CSAM and gore constantly?

Whitelist instead of blacklist seems like it would work.

How do you know what you can whitelist without looking at it?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by ParadisoShlee »

CqtGLRGcukpy wrote: post #198

It's worth keeping in mind that Loops is made by dansup which has also made and runs Pixelfed, FediDB, and has a history of being hostile to developers. You can see the recounting of his hostility at https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/appendix/ (I'm not a signature of the open letter)

Quick question: even if this is/was true, do you think isolating him is the correct response? or maybe engaging and taking some of the pressure off him might actually help.

People love to bully people who slip up... dudes a hot mess but I think he needs community more than being openly attacked.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by modo_mario »

dakolli wrote: post #170
Gigachad wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this somewhat like how these new crypto prediction markets work? There is no house taking a cut, all of the winnings get paid out.

Kalshi and Polymarket take a cut and is making the markets as well. Yes you can create a market and fund it yourself, but almost no one ever does this. People have been trying to make true prediction exchange markets like this 3 decades, its basically impossible without professional market makers. Its largely impossible to fund "organic decentralized" prediction markets because the vast majority of money that goes in…

>so the smarter participants is always going to absorb the entire bankroll of the dumber participants over time..

Isn't that entirely the point? I've heard some arguments about insider trading but even there i've heard it argued that that's part of the point.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by [deleted] »

CodeCompost wrote: post #278

I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time. So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are so…

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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by arealaccount »

atlgator wrote: post #162

The HN cycle for federated alternatives is now complete: email → chat → microblogging → short video. We're speedrunning the "open-source version of things we claim to hate" timeline. Can't wait for the federated, self-hosted casino.

Federated tattoo parlors

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by prmoustache »

vyr wrote: post #301
CqtGLRGcukpy wrote: post #198

It's worth keeping in mind that Loops is made by dansup which has also made and runs Pixelfed, FediDB, and has a history of being hostile to developers. You can see the recounting of his hostility at https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/appendix/ (I'm not a signature of the open letter)

yeah he has a long history of saying dumb shit in public and then trying to cover his tracks. also, having had to figure out some of the Pixelfed code for previous projects, i wonder if he's up to the task of maintaining any of this once the next shiny thing comes along. Fedi software has a lot of quirks in general (comes with the nearly nonexistent budgets) but as a representative issue, the dude managed to build a…

the thing is anyone can already host short-form videos on many other fediverse/activitypub apps like Mastodon.

Same for image, I never really understood the point of pixelfed as other fediverse/activitypub apps can already host pictures.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by mft_ »

dewey wrote: post #271
mft_ wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you’re missing is that there’s maybe a bigger crossover between people (and age groups) who use TikTok and people who might prefer it if they weren’t tracked and monetised, than you are imagining. My experience is that TikTok’e algorithm is so good it largely reflects the individual user. My feed is 99% wholesome - presumably because that’s how I’ve trained it over time. I’m amazed by other people’s stories of b…

> it if they weren’t tracked and monetised I think that group of people if very small, but overrepresented on sites like this. Regular people just don't care. They _might_ pay to remove ads, but because they are annoying not because they are afraid of tracking or being monetized.

I agree that HN is not representative, but amongst my definitely-not-tech-aware friends, there's certainty awareness about privacy and social media. This might manifest in avoiding specific apps (for example, I have a friend who refuses to install TikTok, despite being active in Instagram) or strict controls of their children's use.

There's another group who don't necessarily take any action immediately, but might switch if there was a competitive alternative. But of course there's a network effect: being an early adopter of Signal (over Whatsapp) was lonely but eventually enough people came along. Bluesky is doing okay vs. Twitter. Without people trying to offer an alternative, nothing will ever change.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by rao-v »

pousada wrote: post #333
rapnie wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with Lemmy, but more with any social media that is just open to the general public. Ask the moderator teams of Facebook, what they encounter day to day. Many of these poor folks work in shitty job conditions and burn out leaving with PTSD. If you spin up a fediverse app like Lemmy, you spin up a platform. It is platform software. And you get the responsibility, but also the opportunity , to set…

> Curate the content in your instance How do i do that without getting PTSD as well? Or is there some magic method that works without me looking at CSAM and gore constantly?

We’re probably a year from self hostable video LLM models that can identify sexual content etc. with high sensitivity (but probably poor specificity)
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