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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by jhogervorst »

dddw wrote: post #51
Daegalus wrote: post #19

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…

For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.

Agree! If you have a number of domains and can justify a membership, they Openprovider (NL) is a good option.

Some foreign extensions are quite expensive though. I happened to be looking into that yesterday, and Netim (FR) seems to be a good option for that. For the two extensions I need, they were among the cheapest with renewals.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by yread »

thecopy wrote: post #177

Super timely - thank you! Im in the process of moving the entire stack of my SaaS* fully in EU as well. Hetzner bare-metal, Talos k8s, OVH Object Storage for backups, self-hosted (for now) image repo. For now im still on Cloudflare for CDN, but bunny looks interesting. Using GitOps (FluxCD) as deployment strategy enables no dependencies on e.g. GitHub Actions. For one thing running on bare-metal @ Hetzner is insane v…

I'm actually just looking into LUKS on Hetzner.

I've found this - how to do it without ever entrusting any encryption key to Hetzner

https://www.tqdev.com/2023-luks-encrypted-debian-12-server-h...

But it seems like way too much work

There is this easy tutorial (that for some reason disappeared)

https://web.archive.org/web/20260128114859/https://community...

and this on how to get an email when you need to unlock it via SSH

https://dominik.wombacher.cc/posts/email_notification_to_unl...

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by omnimus »

cpursley wrote: post #32
marwann wrote: post #9

My European stack: - OVH for object storage, domain names and simple Wordpress websites - Scalingo/3DS Outscale for PaaS (looking for alternatives here!) - Mailjet used to be EU but they've been acquired by Mailgun - don't know if that's an issue. Brevo is okay as an email service provider but they could be way better.

Mailersend is EU and fantastic

I got interested because i am looking to switch to european email service because of law requirements and i know MailerLite (their other product).

But after looking at their site: "MailerSend is a United States-registered company."

I understand they are based in EU but the main issue is that if they are registered in US then thanks to CLOUD Act afaik it doesn't really matter.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by jhogervorst »

cge wrote: post #314
Daegalus wrote: post #84

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Hmm, seems the good prices is only if you subscribe to their subscription. 5 euro a month or 50 euro a year, then the prices get slashed. Othewise their prices are expensive.

Yes, comparing to Porkbun for .com and .net, it looks like you'd need at least around 10 domains before it became cost effective (the .org price there says it is time limited and I think does not reflect recent .org price increases). There's also the matter that, ethically, openprovider seems to be heavily focusing on domain name speculators as clients; that may be a business many people would not want to support, an…

> There's also the matter that, ethically, openprovider seems to be heavily focusing on domain name speculators as clients

Do you have more info about that? I'm a customer of them and didn't know this.

I actually noticed that quite a lot of (smaller) hosting providers are also customers of Openprovider. (When transferring some domains from other providers to my account as Openprovider, they turned out to be internal transfers.) So I'm a bit surprised about it.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by piperswe »

advisedwang wrote: post #330
williamdclt wrote: post #90

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You really don't? It's just a ton easier for most users: it's (almost) like already having an account. Just click a couple times and you're in, no typing at all, no email confirmation or anything like that. I also avoid it because I'm concerned about being over-reliant on google (what if they close my account?) and I know how to use a password manager, but I easily understand how 90-99% of the population doesn't care…

> I also avoid it because I'm concerned about being over-reliant on google (what if they close my account?) Most if the "sign-in with google" accounts I have seen treat it as a shortcut to creating and logging in with an account with the primary email address of the Google account. So you can hit "reset password" and get a conventional password log-in to an account you previously made with the Google auth. If you get…

Does Google even let you create an account without Gmail anymore?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by palata »

cetra3 wrote: post #299
palata wrote: post #267

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I have 400 entries in my password manager. I manage them with my password manager. There is no single point of failure.

Isn't your password manager a single point of failure?

How do you mean that?

Each password is a PGP-encrypted file, encrypted to security keys. The files are backed up in different places, including my laptop and my phone. The password manager app runs offline, so it has no reason to suddenly fail, but even if it did, my passwords are just encrypted with PGP, so I will never be "locked out".

I find it very unlikely that it would get compromised: again it's encrypted to security keys. If my device is compromised, the attacker can extract the passwords that I decrypt while the attacker has control, but not the whole database.

To lose my passwords, I would need to simultaneously lose all the copies (on my devices, and on the cloud). To lose access to my passwords, I would need to simultaneously lose all security keys.

Doesn't feel like a single point of failure. Or do I misunderstand what you mean by that?

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by palata »

zbentley wrote: post #307
bdcravens wrote: post #211

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Probably suggests that the service is less valuable to them than TikTok.

You'd be surprised. I've worked on a municipal/local-area webapp that launched with auth and a create-account form. Userbase in the low 100ks, a few interactions a year. It was an ordinary create-account form: name, address, email/phone, no payment info or government ID. The only alternative to this service--and I do mean only --was to go into a city office and wait in line/fill out forms. Failure to do either result…

This is a wild story! Thanks for sharing.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by palata »

bjourne wrote: post #321
palata wrote: post #290

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With the "password manager" program? I have one on my desktop and one on my smartphone. How do you expect to access the passwords that the password manager manages?

... Can everyone in the world ready our passwords or are they "protected" somehow?

I am confused. You say:

> Moreover, password managers do not work if you use multiple devices for log in

I use a password manager with multiple devices, and it works. And yes, my passwords are "protected", that's the job of the password manager.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by Daegalus »

indigodaddy wrote: post #347
Daegalus wrote: post #317

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Porkbun is based in Portland, Oregon, USA. I'm trying to move my infra to EU only stuff. It was fine when I lived near Bellevue, Washington. And I did live 30 years in the US but I want to divest myself from that shitshow.

Right, I guess it only makes a difference if you use their DNS? Otherwise, registrar being in US vs EU makes zero difference in terms of speed/latency etc. Is this just an ethical or political thing that you want to be out of USA?

Mostly political, the other stuff makes more sense, domains are mostly a nice to have.

And for .com, .org, and .net those are owned by ICANN which is US controlled anyway.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Post by advisedwang »

piperswe wrote: post #355
advisedwang wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also avoid it because I'm concerned about being over-reliant on google (what if they close my account?) Most if the "sign-in with google" accounts I have seen treat it as a shortcut to creating and logging in with an account with the primary email address of the Google account. So you can hit "reset password" and get a conventional password log-in to an account you previously made with the Google auth. If you get…

Does Google even let you create an account without Gmail anymore?

Yes. There is a "Use your existing email address" button in the create account dialog.
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