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An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by apublicfrog »

cube00 wrote: post #236
apublicfrog wrote: post #159

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Totally possible, but why bother? The website doesn't seem ad supported, so traffic would cost them more. Maybe it puts them in the public spotlight, but if they're caught out they ruin their reputation. Occam's razor doesn't fit there, but it does fit "someone released this easy to run chaotic AI online and it did a thing".

> Totally possible, but why bother? Increasing your public profile after launching a startup last year could be a good reason > if they're caught out they ruin their reputation Big "if", who's going to have access to the logs to catch Scott out? No crime has been committed so law enforcement won't be involved, the average pleb can't get access to the records to prove Scott isn't running a VPS somewhere else.

Completely, but if you're the type who cares that much about your public profile, it's a pretty big risk. Even if nobody can prove anything, this type of rampant speculation was obviously going to happen. I see no clear cut benefit to the sociopathic behaviour of setting all of this up with multiple blog posts and layers of lies.

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Post by ai_tools_daily »

brainwad wrote: post #300
knallfrosch wrote: post #188

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If I write a software today that publishes a hit piece on you in 2 weeks time, will you accept that I bear no responsibility? There's no accountability gap unless you create one.

If the code you wrote appears to be for something completely different, say software to write patches for open source github projects - yes. Why would you bear responsibility for something that couldn't have been reasonably foreseen? The interesting thing about LLMs is the unpredictable emergent behaviours. That's fundamentally different from ordinary, deterministic programs.

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SilverBirch wrote: post #303

I think the big take away here isn't about misalignment or jail breaking. The entire way this bot behaved is consistent with it just being run by some asshole from Twitter. And we need to understand it doesn't matter how careful you think you need to be with AI, because some asshole from Twitter doesn't care, and they'll do literally whatever comes into their mind. And it'll go wrong. And they won't apologize. They w…

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Post by staticassertion »

jacquesm wrote: post #58
staticassertion wrote: post #10

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> You can easily get death threats if you're associating yourself with AI publicly. That's a pretty hefty statement, especially the 'easily' part, but I'll settle for one well known and verified example.

I'm surprised that you consider this hefty or find this surprising. I think you can just Google this and decide on what you consider "verified". There's quite a lot of "AI drama" out there that I'm sure you can find. I'm reluctant to provide examples just to have you say "that's not meeting my bar for verified" for what I consider such a low stakes conversation.

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Post by staticassertion »

lukasb wrote: post #13
staticassertion wrote: post #10

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Conflicting evidence: the fact that literally everyone in tech is posting about how they're using AI.

I mean, this is very obviously false. Literally everyone is not. Some people are, some people are absolutely condemning the use, some people use it just a bit, etc.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
lukasb wrote: post #13

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Conflicting evidence: the fact that literally everyone in tech is posting about how they're using AI.

I feel like it depends on the platform and your location. An anonomyous platform like Reddit and even HN to a certain extent has issues with bad faith commenters on both sides targeting someone they do not like. Furthermore, the MJ Rathburn fiasco itself highlights how easy it is to push divisive discourse at scale. The reality is trolls will troll for the sake of trolling. Additionally, "AI" has become a political f…

That’s a big reason I am open about my identity, here (and elsewhere, but I’m really only active, hereabouts).

At one time, I was an actual troll. I said bad stuff, and my inner child was Bart Simpson. I feel as if I need to atone for that behavior.

I do believe that removing consequences, almost invariably brings out the worst in people. I will bet that people are frantically creating trollbots. Some, for political or combative purposes, but also, quite a few, for the lulz.

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Post by [deleted] »

dinp wrote: post #24

Zooming out a little, all the ai companies invested a lot of resources into safety research and guardrails, but none of that prevented a "straightforward" misalignment. I'm not sure how to reconcile this, maybe we shouldn't be so confident in our predictions about the future? I see a lot of discourse along these lines: - have bold, strong beliefs about how ai is going to evolve - implicitly assume it's practically gu…

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Post by appointment »

DavidPiper wrote: post #205
Terr_ wrote: post #183

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Within the framing that it's all fundamentally a make-document-longer algorithm, I propose "seed document." While there's some metaphor to it, it's the kind behind "seed crystals" for ice and minerals, referring to non-living and mostly-mathematical process. If someone went around talking about how the importance of "Soul Crystals" or "Ego Crystals", they would quite rightly attract a lot of very odd looks, at least…

I quite like seed but for a different reason - if you squint a bit, it looks like a natural evolution of a random number seed. My complaint against seed would be that it still harkens back to a biological process that could be easily and creatively conflated when it's convenient.

Pretty sure the term "seed" for a pRNG initial value is already derived from the same crystal seed analogy...

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Post by DeusExMachina »

tovej wrote: post #328
nicbou wrote: post #313

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Not just some asshole from twitter. The big tech companies will also be careless and indifferent with it. They will destroy things, hurt people, and put things in motion that they cannot control, because it’s good for shareholders.

One of the big tech companies is literally run be THE asshole from twitter. So I don't necessarily believe there's much of a distinction.

Then the others should also not be shielded from criticism instead of focusing only on the one you personally dislike, or his social media.

There is plenty of toxic behavior on other platforms, especially Reddit and Bluesky, to name a few. That does not excuse the one coming from X, but the opposite is also true.

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