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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by kettlecorn »

amarant wrote: post #168

What content bans does Europe have? /Confused European

I think part of this is preempting concerns that the EU could ban or limit X / Twitter.

They've already fined X heavily for lacking transparency, like not providing a database of advertisers or allowing researchers to access internal data to evaluate misinformation concerns. The EU has threatened that if they need to they may ban or limit X.

Musk and conservatives view X as a critical tool to spread their preferred ideology, and Musk has shown he's not beyond algorithmic and UX manipulation to achieve desired outcomes.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by shevy-java »

glwiththat wrote: post #324
ceteia wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would educating people instead and giving them more options for information, not be better than banning access to information?

If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any obese people, or drunkards, or smokers, druggies, gamblers, people addicted to doomscrolling or video games or ragebait "news" or… Education is as useful as preaching abstinence at horny teenagers instead of providing access to contraceptives

> If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any obese people, or drunkards

This assumes that a) everyone is the same, and b) education would always work. Matthew Perry explained that this is not the case. Some people respond differently to drugs. Whether these people are educated or not, changes very little. Education helps, but not in the way as to be able to bypass physiological aspects completely.

> Education is as useful as preaching abstinence at horny teenagers instead of providing access to contraceptives

Education can still help. For instance, I decided very early on that the best way to avoid e. g. addiction is to not "give in and try once". So I never tried drugs (ok ok, I did drink a beer occasionally). This was the much simpler and easier strategy to pursue, simply via avoidance behaviour.

Thus I disagree that the premise can be "if educating worked" - people will always respond differently to drugs. And they will have different strategies to cope with something too - some strategies work, others don't work. One can not generalize this.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by josefrichter »

tantalor wrote: post #218

That's not very "America First" Why are my taxes paying for benefits for Europeans? They already killed USAID.

For Europeans? They don’t need anything like this, zero benefit. May benefit someone in North Korea, China or the United States.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by thomasingalls »

calmworm wrote: post #320
zmgsabst wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure — but the UK or EU has to accept the constant rhetoric of “you clearly don’t support free speech, you block freedom.gov” when discussing with the US. I don’t think it’s meant to be a perfect solution; I think it’s meant to be a political tool. Also, the US does fund Tor — originally US Navy + DARPA, now through Dept of State. Entirely possible that they’ll eventually operate a Tor onion site for freedom.gov too.

This is grade-school level mind games. Is it really that easy?

I'm not convinced that this whole discussion section isn't astroturf... some real out there opinions popping up in here

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by globular-toast »

calmworm wrote: post #320
zmgsabst wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure — but the UK or EU has to accept the constant rhetoric of “you clearly don’t support free speech, you block freedom.gov” when discussing with the US. I don’t think it’s meant to be a perfect solution; I think it’s meant to be a political tool. Also, the US does fund Tor — originally US Navy + DARPA, now through Dept of State. Entirely possible that they’ll eventually operate a Tor onion site for freedom.gov too.

This is grade-school level mind games. Is it really that easy?

When did you stop being a child? Can you point to the actual day it happened? Guess what... It didn't happen to anyone else either.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by kataklasm »

pornel wrote: post #300
kulahan wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's decreasing under Trump, but to pretend the richest, most militarily powerful, most culturally influential nation on the planet somehow doesn't have any soft power is... certainly a choice.

Republicans are spending all of US's remaining soft power on stealing Greenland. If it ends with the Navy showing its non-soft power, Europe won't have any fucks left to give about some website.

We already don't. We want the Americans to pack up their bases and fuck off. Ami, go home! They've done enough work to stir up chaos and war all over the planet in the last 7 decades.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by jusssi »

drnick1 wrote: post #335
amarant wrote: post #168

What content bans does Europe have? /Confused European

Porn (now requires age verification), online libraries, movies, some news websites, sports (because of obscure copyright laws) and countless other things.

List please. Surely there is a wiki page you can drop a link to, right?

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Post by XorNot »

petcat wrote: post #220
copperx wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which soft power are you talking about?

I think we're all aware that EU is trying to become more independent, but as of right now basically everything they do online, or really anything with technology at all, is American in some way. That's a lot of "soft power" and it will take decades, maybe a century, for EU or UK to replace it.

Tarrifs cost US consumers not EU consumers.

If the US wants to ban AWS from operating in the EU that's just going to accelerate the shift away, for example.

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Post by raincole »

shevy-java wrote: post #349
simianparrot wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

That does not compute.

It computes quite well.

> It was a 2021 case involving Andy Grote, a local politician, that captured the country's attention. Grote complained about a tweet that called him a "pimmel," a German word for the male anatomy. His complaint triggered a police raid and accusations of excessive censorship by the government.

A police raid for calling a politician a dick. Let it sink.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-online-hate-speech-pros...

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by XorNot »

polski-g wrote: post #305
copperx wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which soft power are you talking about?

Anyone who wants to trade in USD. Protection of maritime trade routes. Nuclear shield. Netflix, YouTube, Nvidia, OpenAI, Amazon.

What sort of soft power do you imagine Netflix represents? It exists but it's not leverage.
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