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Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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jacquesm wrote: post #102

So, I had a friend. Had because he's dead. He did this work for a decade and a half and then couldn't deal with it anymore. In that time he put countless assholes behind bars. At some point he stopped responding to my emails so I called the unit and they were absolutely devastated, this guy was the backbone of their operation, the one with by far the most computer experience of all of them. RIP Ronald. It is very har…

As someone who hasn't done this line of work, the only words of power I could imagine which would help me get though it day-in-and-day-out is: "but it matters to this starfish."

It must be so demoralizing seeing such wicked behavior day-in-and-day-out and thinking it's only a drop in the ocean.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by butlike »

tr888 wrote: post #260
gnarlouse wrote: post #133

On the one hand, this is a beautiful (but depressing) story about humans standing up for each other. On the other hand, this is clearly propaganda from the BBC to push police state functionality on the UK population by pre-justifying it. "See what happens? Never mind the part about it taking six years. Let us see everything in your fucking lives, you twats."

I have literally no idea how you've ended up at that conclusion from the article!

Same. In a world where police agents are committing atrocities, a world where ICE agents are running amok, it's nice to hear about some actual good that comes from the police force

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by rectang »

expedition32 wrote: post #335
rectang wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, I hope the mother was also charged. Would you want her charged if she didn't even know? There is nothing in the article suggesting that the mother conspired with her boyfriend, or that she even knew he was a sex offender. I can imagine a scenario where the mother blames herself for not knowing and is utterly destroyed by misplaced guilt. Who knows what actually happened? The article wasn't about that.

They always know. My mother worked in mental healthcare and she's always told me that "the sisterhood" doesn't exist.

No, parents do not always "know" about child sexual abuse.

I cited a study about this elsethread[1]. And "Lucy" was young (no older than 12, possibly as young as 7) when the rapes began, which correlates with a reluctance to disclose.

It is possible that the mother knew, but it is far from certain. The article didn't provide that context, because it chronicled detective work that led through a different chain of clues to crack the case. An obsession over maternal guilt has arisen here in the comments that was not present in the article.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47042396#47049735

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by butlike »

missingdays wrote: post #248
d--b wrote: post #179

Great article. On HN though “dark web agent” sounds like some AI bot did the work. It was far more interesting the way they did it.

So "agent" only means "AI agent" now?

In the current zeitgeist, more and more so

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by gnarlouse »

lambdaone wrote: post #267
gnarlouse wrote: post #133

On the one hand, this is a beautiful (but depressing) story about humans standing up for each other. On the other hand, this is clearly propaganda from the BBC to push police state functionality on the UK population by pre-justifying it. "See what happens? Never mind the part about it taking six years. Let us see everything in your fucking lives, you twats."

None of this required a police state. Just people working together to cross-correlate information in the way that you would expect to be able to do in an open society. What wrong do you think was done here? What would you prefer to be different?

That is fair, I’m out of line.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by rectang »

lurquer wrote: post #253
roysting wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what is confusing is likely that the investigators/detectives were probably trying to make sure that the girl was actually in the house where the sex offender was registered or technically living, and not maybe kept somewhere else. A lot of detective work is building the case, but also confirming what you believe is actually true and you need the evidence to also request the warrant on factual grounds. They c…

Why just the mother? What about her absentee father?

I agree that the singling out of the mother for condemnation in this comment section is conspicuous and dismaying — thank you for pointing it out. Nevertheless, I would offer the father the same grace that I think the mother deserves, and I think you will be sympathetic.

We know little of the mother's circumstances, and we know basically none of the father's. He may not even be alive. He could be an "absentee", or even an abuser himself — we have no information. But he might also be active in Lucy's life yet tragically unaware of his daughter's plight.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by AlecSchueler »

bmn__ wrote: post #322
AlecSchueler wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there were as many women in prison as men you can be sure there would be as many or more men interested in them.

You've been downvoted into grey-blivion because that claim is wrong. It is an example of the underlying supposition that the behaviour of men and women is identical. This runs counter to the findings of psychology and sociology.

> It is an example of the underlying supposition that the behaviour of men and women is identical.

No, it isn't. You've read something into it that wasn't there. You've also missed the point I made about speaking within the context of a patriarchy.

> This runs counter to the findings of psychology and sociology.

Let's both note that neither psychologists nor sociologists can work with non-socialised people who won't reflect back society's norms.

> You've been downvoted into grey-blivion because that claim is wrong.

For the record, I received one downvote.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by [deleted] »

expedition32 wrote: post #333
jiqiren wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many of these sex offenders bought this couch and live close to this brick factory in homes built in that time period?

There was an infamous case in the Netherlands were two children were horrifically attacked in a park and it turned out that TWO pedos were at that location at the time. They got the wrong one. Serendipity and all that.

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by tempaccount420 »

doubled112 wrote: post #297
iso1631 wrote: post #251

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> he was convicted in 2015 of two counts of open and gross lewdness for displaying his genitals to a neighbor through the window of his home So he was naked in his own home? #Land of the free

It's all about levels here. First level? Open and gross lewdness for the home owner. Third level? Voyeurism for the person outside.

The disgusting, gross lewdness of a naked body. Thank God someone did something.

Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by treebeard901 »

e40 wrote: post #329
michelb wrote: post #316

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America?

Come on, that's a very lazy answer. I'm in CA and have never heard that visiting a nude beach can get you on that registry.

It's a weird grey zone of laws where the beaches are not officially nude beaches, but they are advertised this way. Many are run by the federal park police. Most anti nudity laws are state laws and as a result, there is kind of a loophole with enforcing it.

Of course, the act of being nude in public can make many believe they have been assaulted when it's just nudity.

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